Quarter Season Update...Rank the Canadian Teams

[Pizza the Hutt]

Leafs

Jets
Flames

Habs
Sens

Oilers - Canucks

 

[Johnnybegood13]

I'm not an Oilers fan, not even close

Ok, then you're a Jets fan trying to make them look a whole lot better than the flames, if it isn't that then it's insanity

 

[Rubi]

Ok, then you're a Jets fan trying to make them look a whole lot better than the flames, if it isn't that then it's insanity

I think he's a Habs fan.

 

[blankall]

Calgary is an easy 3rd because they play in the worst division in the NHL. Remember that’s why the Leafs got trashed on. “Weak Atlantic...”

Now the Atlantic is easily the best division in the NHL. So Leafs 1, Jets 2, Calgary 3

Lol. Toronto has yet to play either of Tampa or Buffalo. Calgary has only played 9 intradivisional games thus far. Calgary has beat Toronto, Buffalo, and Boston.

 

[Just Linda]

I think he's a Habs fan.

So your saying it is the second option?

 

[Drytoast]

Toronto has yet to actually play Tampa or Buffalo. Winnipeg has actually played Nashville and Colorado. Toronto barely beat a slumping Jets team early on in close games.

Calgary beat Toronto does that make Calgary the better team?

Toronto may still prove to be better than Winnipeg, but to call them an entirely better class of team is silly.

Well I guess Winnipeg shouldn't have been slumping then, huh?

We have more points.
We play in an entirely harder division.
We beat them twice.

We have had a more successful run thus far and we did that without Matthews and Nylander. How does Winnipeg fair without Laine and Shieffle?

As of mid season report;

Toronto.
than
Winnipeg.

 

[crackdown44]

Well I guess Winnipeg shouldn't have been slumping then, huh?

We have more points.
We play in an entirely harder division.
We beat them twice.

We have had a more successful run thus far and we did that without Matthews and Nylander. How does Winnipeg fair without Laine and Shieffle?

As of mid season report;

Toronto.
than
Winnipeg.

I agree that Toronto has shown to be the better team so far but the divisional argument isn’t really in play yet as divisional games tend to stack towards the end of the season because the NHL wants teams playing meaningful games down the stretch. As was mentioned earlier, Toronto hasn’t even played Buffalo or Tampa yet and I think they’ve split their first two with Boston

 

[Rubi]

So your saying it is the second option?

Why the guessing game? Which team do you cheer for?

 

[SKRusty]

Well I guess Winnipeg shouldn't have been slumping then, huh?

We have more points.
We play in an entirely harder division.
We beat them twice.

We have had a more successful run thus far and we did that without Matthews and Nylander. How does Winnipeg fair without Laine and Shieffle?

As of mid season report;

Toronto.
than
Winnipeg.

That's laughable. Toronto has had the easiest schedule of Calgary, Winnipeg and the Leafs.

Winnipeg has not beat a contender yet

Toronto has beat Washington and Winnipeg as it's top teams in the standings. Toronto has not played Tampa, Buffalo, Nashville or Colorado.

Calgary has played and beat Nashville (1-1), Colorado (2-0), Toronto , Winnipeg, Buffalo.

So the playing in a harder division thing is crap. The only divisional teams TO has faced is Ottawa, Montreal, and an injured Bruins team.

 

[Peggy]

Based on what? Flames have a better goal differential, better goals against and same goals for (albeit played 1 more game).



Flames have more PPG players than Toronto has and Gio is only 5 points behind Reilly (24 points which would tie him for 3rd among Jets players), and have 2 more PPG players than the Jets do. Flames are also the only team (or were up until 3 days ago) to have 4 players in double digit goal totals.


I ain't arguing the Flames are the top team, but the Leafs (who have had no playoff success with their core where the Flames have won a series) and Jets aren't in a tier above the Flames, especially since the Flames have beaten both teams this year. I'd rank them all in the same tier. Arguing the Jets above because of last years playoff run is valid, but to say they have a better roster when the Flames are equal to or better in every statistical category isn't valid. Personally I have all 3 at the top in the same tier.

Winnipeg has a better roster , says the rankings last year

Calgary has a more balanced roster right now and they're playing well, but they're counter parts aren't better than Winnipeg's

 

[Fire Treliving]

Winnipeg has a better roster , says the rankings last year

Calgary has a more balanced roster right now and they're playing well, but they're counter parts aren't better than Winnipeg's

Last year, sure. This year, no. I would say they're pretty much equal and the standings would suggest the same.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

That's laughable. Toronto has had the easiest schedule of Calgary, Winnipeg and the Leafs.

Winnipeg has not beat a contender yet

Toronto has beat Washington and Winnipeg as it's top teams in the standings. Toronto has not played Tampa, Buffalo, Nashville or Colorado.

Calgary has played and beat Nashville (1-1), Colorado (2-0), Toronto , Winnipeg, Buffalo.

So the playing in a harder division thing is crap. The only divisional teams TO has faced is Ottawa, Montreal, and an injured Bruins team.

So what you're saying is, Calgary has lost to a bunch of bad teams then? Not exactly a selling point.

 

[Nizdizzle]

So, this was my ranking going into the season (Sept. 13 2018):

Winnipeg (Currently 3rd)
Toronto (Currently 1st)

Calgary (Currently 2nd)

Edmonton (Currently 5th)/Vancouver (Currently 7th)

Montreal (Currently 4th)/Ottawa (Currently 6th)

I'd be pretty close with MTL and VAN swapped. I'm still not convinced Calgary is the same tier of team with Toronto/Winnipeg, even with their hot start (and the Jets have fallen short of what I expected of them this year - I expected them to be battling for the top spot). I knew Calgary was better than their season indicated last year, I'll be curious to see if they keep this pace through the season.

 

[Drytoast]

That's laughable. Toronto has had the easiest schedule of Calgary, Winnipeg and the Leafs.

Winnipeg has not beat a contender yet

Toronto has beat Washington and Winnipeg as it's top teams in the standings. Toronto has not played Tampa, Buffalo, Nashville or Colorado.

Calgary has played and beat Nashville (1-1), Colorado (2-0), Toronto , Winnipeg, Buffalo.

So the playing in a harder division thing is crap. The only divisional teams TO has faced is Ottawa, Montreal, and an injured Bruins team.

For Calgary to get on our level they would need to outperform us while having removed their top center and their second best winger.

Do that and then we can have a debate.

 

[Tkachuky]

Good teams, bad system imo

Would love to hear what makes the Flames system bad. I mean it sounds like you watch a lot of Flames hockey.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Flames fans are really grasping at straws in this thread

 

[qwerty]

So what you're saying is, Calgary has lost to a bunch of bad teams then? Not exactly a selling point.

Kinda hard to win when you have one of the worst starting goaltenders this season. Smith’s .886 sv% while facing the least shots per game is as bad as it gets.

Also, they haven’t lost to a lot of bad teams either. The teams they’ve lost to are all in the playoffs except:

VGK - 9th in west, SC Finalist
PIT - 2 x Stanley Cup champs
STL - Bad loss
VAN - Home opener, Flames never win home openers, they’ve lost like 9 straight if I’m not mistaken

 

[Uncle Bill]

Winnipeg is not a cup contender with Hellebuyck playing so poorly this year.

He is the reason we are losing many games.

He is ONE of the reasons the Winnipeg Jets have lost EIGHT games so far. Too frequent poor team defence is as big a reason the jets have lost EIGHT games so far. Imagine, only two teams have lost fewer games...

The Winnipeg Jets are still very much a cup contender.

 

[tntkid]

He is ONE of the reasons the Winnipeg Jets have lost EIGHT games so far. Too frequent poor team defence is as big a reason the jets have lost EIGHT games so far. Imagine, only two teams have lost fewer games...

The Winnipeg Jets are still very much a cup contender.

The Jets have to score 4 or more goals to win a game this season because of our awful goal tending.

That is not sustainable.

 

[Kybb79]

For Calgary to get on our level they would need to outperform us while having removed their top center and their second best winger.

Do that and then we can have a debate.

I think the refs evened out that game and the Flames still won.

 

[Uncle Bill]

For Calgary to get on our level they would need to outperform us while having removed their top center and their second best winger.

Do that and then we can have a debate.

Teams suffer injuries. Good teams overcome injuries. Kudos. Your leafs survived. Still, the leafs have had extraordinary good health this year and last.

Last year the Winnipeg Jets lost more man-games due to injury than all teams save four and still finished second overall.

Don’t gloat.

 

[Uncle Bill]

The Jets have to score 4 or more goals to win a game this season because of our awful goal tending.

That is not sustainable.

Lol. Not every game. Fortunately they have the horses though when needed. Climb in from the ledge.

 

[Drytoast]

I think the refs evened out that game and the Flames still won.

game? huh?

 

[Drytoast]

Teams suffer injuries. Good teams overcome injuries. Kudos. Your leafs survived. Still, the leafs have had extraordinary good health this year and last.

Last year the Winnipeg Jets lost more man-games due to injury than all teams save four and still finished second overall.

Don’t gloat.

don't gloat?

do you not see how upset people are that they have no other Canadian team to toss out there as being better than Toronto at this point?

“Cant have toronto at the top of any list”...

it must really sting.

 

[Uncle Bill]

don't gloat?

do you not see how upset people are that they have no other Canadian team to toss out there as being better than Toronto at this point?

“Cant have toronto at the top of any list”...


it must really sting.

No, the leafs are playing very well. They absolutely deserve top ranking. I’m suggesting humility is a better response. Frankly though, you should know sayin’ "Cant have toronto at the top of any list”... it must really sting." is why so many people write *stuff* you dislike.