Prospect Info: Prospect Info and Discussion VIII - Future Canes and other Jurcos

[emptyNedder]

Rees' production is much better than anyone could have hoped.

Priskie has been used in all situations in Charlotte and he needs work defensively...but, from what I’ve seen, his skating is better than advertised and his offensive game has transitioned seamlessly to the pro game.

and Bean has been disappointing in the games I’ve seen him on AHL Live.

I am a big fan of Vellucci—but even I am surprised at how pedestrian almost everyone in Charlotte has looked so far this season. The D in particular has looked disorganized for long stretches. Both McKeown and Bean have not been as impressive. The one bright spot is that Bean has gotten on the scoresheet the past few games. As you mention, Priskie is as good as hoped with the puck.

 

[bleedgreen]

Tieksola is really the only prospect -- at any position or level -- who's putting up exciting numbers, and he's at the wrong level. All the Liiga guys bombed out (Killinen, Tieksola, Puistola and Honka has been pretty average), Kochetkov bombed out in the KHL, Sellgren isn't a big numbers guy and hasn't done anything anyway, Bokk got bumped to the fourth line. The Charlotte guys are all minus-40. Not a great start to the season in the org.

They’re still 18-19, most of those guys. I wasn’t as psyched as some were about this last draft but I’m hardly about to judge any of them this early. As far as Charlotte goes we either got rid of or let go of much of our depth. They’re as much a new team as the Canes are. I think the year of occasional painful growth we expected last year may be happening a year later as far as that group goes. The only guys I like to see big numbers from early and often is the top two round guys, and Suzuki/Rees have been great. Goalies are impossible to follow early generally. We won’t know about him for years.

 

[spockBokk]

On Anttoni Honka (from DobberProspects0:

The Carolina Hurricanes prospect has seen his ups and downs since beginning the season with JYP. Honka was totally lost in his own zone for at least the first 10 games of the season but the team and coaching staff have been thinking long-term and have given him the chances to keep playing bigger minutes through every game. Honka is seeing top four minutes and right now, he actually has started to look solid. He is far from perfect still in his own end but is not a total disaster anymore.​

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After his brother Julius came back to Finland from Dallas Stars, Anttoni looks like he has grown a couple of inches physically also. It’s pretty incredible to see how much the level of playing will change with confidence.​

Well this was fun

Julius Honka and his first goal in Liiga. Primary assist to Petrus Palmu and secondary to little brother Anttoni Honka. pic.twitter.com/gYjT8MZys3
— Juha Rapanen (@jrabane) November 2, 2019​

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In the offensive end, Honka has put up a lot of assists even though most of them are secondary. That is actually a positive sign in his game and he really has not been forcing the plays all by himself. Now that Honka has more variation, he has become a lot better overall. The offensive ceiling is so high that the point totals will only keep growing. Right now he is at eight points in 19 games, and those are really good numbers for his age in Liiga. Lately he’s been on fire, and in his last five games he has put up five points. He will not be a point-per-game player from now on but right now the things are happening that are supposed to with his skillset. It’s good to see him scoring a lot but what I’m happy about is that his defensive game is getting better. That is the most crucial part considering his future, and as his defensive game gets better, so will the point production. This long-term project looks more promising than ever, and that’s money for the Carolina Hurricanes​

 

[tarheelhockey]

Tieksola is really the only prospect -- at any position or level -- who's putting up exciting numbers, and he's at the wrong level. All the Liiga guys bombed out (Killinen, Tieksola, Puistola and Honka has been pretty average), Kochetkov bombed out in the KHL, Sellgren isn't a big numbers guy and hasn't done anything anyway, Bokk got bumped to the fourth line. The Charlotte guys are all minus-40. Not a great start to the season in the org.

To some extent it's just a reality check. The players mentioned are, respectively, a 4th, 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 6th, and late-1st rounder. The first three in particular were long shots to even put on an NHL sweater. The other 4 are legit prospects for the big club, but realistically you expect maybe one of them to make it as a contributor.

Of those 4, we got overly excited about a few games of Sellgren last season... I think Honka has always been understood as a boom-or-bust pick... Kochetkov is a goalie so ... and Bokk is pretty much the only guy here who might raise an eyebrow if he didn't at least make it to the Canes at some point.

If this group of players forms a veteran core in Charlotte 3-4 years from now, except for 1 who rebounds to be a depth player for the Canes, I'll feel like we did about average with their development.

 

[My Special Purpose]

They’re still 18-19, most of those guys. I wasn’t as psyched as some were about this last draft but I’m hardly about to judge any of them this early. As far as Charlotte goes we either got rid of or let go of much of our depth. They’re as much a new team as the Canes are. I think the year of occasional painful growth we expected last year may be happening a year later as far as that group goes. The only guys I like to see big numbers from early and often is the top two round guys, and Suzuki/Rees have been great. Goalies are impossible to follow early generally. We won’t know about him for years.

To some extent it's just a reality check. The players mentioned are, respectively, a 4th, 4th, 3rd, 3rd, 2nd, 6th, and late-1st rounder. The first three in particular were long shots to even put on an NHL sweater. The other 4 are legit prospects for the big club, but realistically you expect maybe one of them to make it as a contributor.

Of those 4, we got overly excited about a few games of Sellgren last season... I think Honka has always been understood as a boom-or-bust pick... Kochetkov is a goalie so ... and Bokk is pretty much the only guy here who might raise an eyebrow if he didn't at least make it to the Canes at some point.

If this group of players forms a veteran core in Charlotte 3-4 years from now, except for 1 who rebounds to be a depth player for the Canes, I'll feel like we did about average with their development.

Yeah, I wasn't advocating shooting anyone. Just saying it hasn't been exciting to follow anyone overseas. I know what we have, and what we can expect from them, but it would have been fun if *one* guy gave us a reason to get excited, like Aho did in his post-draft season in Liiga.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah, I wasn't advocating shooting anyone.

I was.

 

[DaveG]

I wouldn't be worried about numbers with Killinen anyway. He was a high motor defensive specialist winger when drafted and that's what he remained. Guys like that panning out to be more than expected are fairly rare, but pedestrian numbers also don't preclude him from having a Pat Dwyer or (insert PK specialist here) type career either.

 

[Lempo]

More people would get deservedly shot if not for those damn advocates.

 

[spockBokk]

Nice article on Bokk with some quotes from him and Darren Yorke:



Basically, there was a chance they would have taken Bokk had they not won the lottery or if they had been able to get another 1st rounder that year. They’re not concerned about Bokk’s lack of production so far and expect him to work on being more physical and battling, the skill is obviously there.

No timetable on him coming over to NA since his current SHL team may go far in those playoffs and the World Championships after that.

i personally hope he gets a few games in Charlotte at least in April and he’s primed to come over in 20-21.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Alex Lintuniemi released? Has this been discussed and I missed it? Any reason to care?

 

[ookhaab]

Any reason to care?

Not really tbh.

 

[Unsustainable]

Alex Lintuniemi released? Has this been discussed and I missed it? Any reason to care?

ok. So now what?

 

[Unsustainable]

Stelio out long term.

 

[DaveG]

Alex Lintuniemi released? Has this been discussed and I missed it? Any reason to care?

Sounds like it, nope, and definitely not. He fell out of favor in an LA situation a hell of a lot more desperate than ours so that says a lot in itself.

 

[Unsustainable]

Turbo is so damn good

 

[Lempo]

Turbo is so damn good

One of the more promising prospects really.

 

[Chrispy]

Sounds like it, nope, and definitely not. He fell out of favor in an LA situation a hell of a lot more desperate than ours so that says a lot in itself.

Are the Canes anywhere near the contract limit where letting Lintuniemi go would allow for more flexibility in picking someone up off waivers or a trade for a pick?

That's the only reason I can see to care about releasing a player who was in the press box for half of Charlotte's season so far.

 

[DaveG]

Are the Canes anywhere near the contract limit where letting Lintuniemi go would allow for more flexibility in picking someone up off waivers or a trade for a pick?

That's the only reason I can see to care about releasing a player who was in the press box for half of Charlotte's season so far.

Apparently we were somehow at 46/50 contracts so it may open up some flexibility

 

[Chrispy]

Apparently we were somehow at 46/50 contracts so it may open up some flexibility

46/50 still leaves some room for a pickup and leaving space for Williams if he decides to come back. Doesn't necessarily make me think this says another move is imminent.

I was thinking they were closer to 48/50 or more.

 

[emptyNedder]

Looks like Ned found his form. His sv% last three games is .929, .939, .952. It would have been .969 in the second game if not for the Checkers creating a penalty shot in OT that former Cane Gerbe beat Ned on.
Should Reimer continue to struggle, Ned should get a game or two before the New Year.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Looks like Ned found his form. His sv% last three games is .929, .939, .952. It would have been .969 in the second game if not for the Checkers creating a penalty shot in OT that former Cane Gerbe beat Ned on.
Should Reimer continue to struggle, Ned should get a game or two before the New Year.

No, they will let him and Goat languish down there until they ruin their trade value by calling Charlotte a "prospect graveyard" and then trade them for randoms who they will bring up to skate in a straight line and shoot into the goalies chest.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Gauthier’s 4 goals and 0 assists in 9 AHL games screams NHL callup.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Gauthier’s 4 goals and 0 assists in 9 AHL games screams NHL callup.

So if we are going to use that metric didn't Zack Boychuck blow the doors of the AHL and then suck here? I expect if they brought Goat up he'd at the very least provide some energy, create chaos at the front of the net and bang a lot of bodies, creating opportunities for others to score even if he didn't find the back of the net himself.

 

[Joe McGrath]

So if we are going to use that metric didn't Zack Boychuck blow the doors of the AHL and then suck here? I expect if they brought Goat up he'd at the very least provide some energy, create chaos at the front of the net and bang a lot of bodies, creating opportunities for others to score even if he didn't find the back of the net himself.

But they brought him up and he didn’t do any of those things. And all those things are what Foegel and McGinn already do. They provide EXACTLY what you described and are being crucified for providing nothing but that.

 

[Negan4Coach]

But they brought him up and he didn’t do any of those things. And all those things are what Foegel and McGinn already do. They provide EXACTLY what you described and are being crucified for providing nothing but that.

But they brought him up and he didn’t do any of those things. And all those things are what Foegel and McGinn already do. They provide EXACTLY what you described and are being crucified for providing nothing but that.

How many games did he get to play and what line did they play him on again asking for a friend