Zadina just signed an extension, 3 years $1.8 million aav, $2.7 million salary at the last year. If he can break out, the Wings will have a bargain contract
News Article: Pronman's pipeline rankings *new* added individual player rankings
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The best was how ballistic FQL went about us going with Tkachuk over Zadina.
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If I am not mistaken, Hutz was specifically talking about Tkachuk's puck skills evaluation which shouldn't be "borderline elite" if Stutzle is "NHL average"
That's where some of us seem to vividly disagree with Pronman, it should be the other way around.
Brady is elite in other aspects like his physical game and particularly owning the front of the net.
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Ah ya, that’s a good point. All his “borderline elite” are guys who are already there. I love Timmy so I’d make the argument he’s there, but I understand I’m biased on that take, so from that perspective it does make sense.
No, I got it right.
Brady was evaluated as having average NHL puck handling, which he does, he shines against the boards and especially in tight.
His elite status listed was ‘compete’.
I mean I don’t disagree with you for the most part, but I think Stu becomes elite this season.
It took Brady a few seasons to establish himself as an elite power forward, so we can be forgiving of Stu for taking so long
Watching that video, I think people are kidding themselves if they think Stu will be signed for something like 8 mil per year. This will be one of the best players in the world. Many NHL goals are the result of nothing special, but he did 100 special things in the first 30 minutes. This is the kind of guy you wreck your salary structure for, leading to cap problems, etc., because he can be a rare difference maker.
If he is still at PPG or under this year he will probably get the 8 x 8.25 on potential, if he is is over 90 points then yes it’s likely 9M or above.
If he is still at PPG or under this year he will probably get the 8 x 8.25 on potential, if he is is over 90 points then yes it’s likely 9M or above.
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There's a new individual prospect rankings in a his most recent article
5. Tkachuk, 8. Stützle, 27. Sanderson, 66. Pinto, 128. Greig, 130. Sokolov
I think he's sleeping a bit on Sanderson and Greig. Heck, maybe Pinto too.
Haven't had a chance to read the whole article yet...
5. Tkachuk, 8. Stützle, 27. Sanderson, 66. Pinto, 128. Greig, 130. Sokolov
I think he's sleeping a bit on Sanderson and Greig. Heck, maybe Pinto too.
Haven't had a chance to read the whole article yet...
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He says he's not projecting who are the best players right now and rather who will be the best pro players when fully developed, but he's definitely putting too much weight on experience.
People have to sleep on Sanderson, because he hasn't played a game yet.
He clearly loves Tkachuk and rates him higher than most.
I agree that listing Stu as NHL average puck skills is absurd.
I think Pinto is overrated and Greig underrated. Greig >> Sokolov IMO
Otherwise, good article.
He clearly loves Tkachuk and rates him higher than most.
I agree that listing Stu as NHL average puck skills is absurd.
I think Pinto is overrated and Greig underrated. Greig >> Sokolov IMO
Otherwise, good article.
To be fair to FQL the Zadina hype train on HF was insane.
After his WJC performance he was the consensus 3rd OVR pick by the majority of people around here, and there was even talk of him challenging Svechnikov for #2.
Never bought into it but I can't say I bought in to the Tkachuk hype either. Dobson was my guy in 2018 and I feel pretty good about that.
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Ok, so some of my thoughts on Pronman's ranking:
Outright confusion wrt D, I just don't get some of them.
Ok, so he's got Seider at 2nd and Hughes at 4th, both are great d, and while I can see the arguments for those rankings idk with quite that high. Q.Hughes in particular I'm a little skeptical, but if you love his skill I get it. Seider is fine in that I agree he's the top young D, I just like some forwards a bit better.
Next up is Dahlin at 7, I think that about right, though I personally would have him ahead of Q.Hughes.
Next is Luke Hughes at 11 which seems really high to me, especially when you realize who that's ahead of.
18-20 is Byram, Bouchard, who imo is too high, and Powers.
Jiricek at 23, then Nemec at 26, then finally Sanderson at 27.
But here's where i see a real curveball, Dobson comes in at 31st. Like, he'd take Caufield over Dobson...
When it comes to forwards, I'd personally have Stützle right there with Zegras who he has 3rd. Pinto at 66 just seems off, I mean, in the age of Kaliyev vs Pinto debate, he has Kaliyev at 33. Idk, he might be shy due to injuries.
Outright confusion wrt D, I just don't get some of them.
Ok, so he's got Seider at 2nd and Hughes at 4th, both are great d, and while I can see the arguments for those rankings idk with quite that high. Q.Hughes in particular I'm a little skeptical, but if you love his skill I get it. Seider is fine in that I agree he's the top young D, I just like some forwards a bit better.
Next up is Dahlin at 7, I think that about right, though I personally would have him ahead of Q.Hughes.
Next is Luke Hughes at 11 which seems really high to me, especially when you realize who that's ahead of.
18-20 is Byram, Bouchard, who imo is too high, and Powers.
Jiricek at 23, then Nemec at 26, then finally Sanderson at 27.
But here's where i see a real curveball, Dobson comes in at 31st. Like, he'd take Caufield over Dobson...
When it comes to forwards, I'd personally have Stützle right there with Zegras who he has 3rd. Pinto at 66 just seems off, I mean, in the age of Kaliyev vs Pinto debate, he has Kaliyev at 33. Idk, he might be shy due to injuries.
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It's weird, sometimes he leans towards experience, others potential. It's very flavour of the month.
These were the top 10 D he had when he made his U23 list back in Jan. The cutoff then was Jan 1st, 1999.
Quinn Hughes
Moritz Seider
Rasmus Dahlin
Owen Power
Miro Heiskanen
Bowen Byram
Jake Sanderson
Luke Hughes
Jamie Drysdale
Evan Bouchard
Only player to "graduate" since then is Heiskanen. Here is the most current ranking of D with cutoff date of Sept 15/99 and includes 2022 draftees:
Moritz Seider
Quinn Hughes
Rasmus Dahlin
Luke Hughes
Bowen Byram
Evan Bouchard
Owen Power
David Jiricek
Simon Nemec
Jake Sanderson
He really likes Hughes apparently. Which is fine. But I don't understand what changed so drastically in 5 months of hockey where Evan Bouchard is higher than Power and Sanderson, and Jiricek and Nemec just get auto inserted in to the top 10 over Sanderson.
FYI the next 10 D from the September list:
Noah Dobson
Simon Edvinsson
Jamie Drysdale
Martin Fehérváry
K'Andre Miller
Olen Zellweger
Thomas Harley
Adam Boqvist
Calen Addison
Lukas Cormier
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These articles are riddled with bias and holes - I’ll pass and save a buck.
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If you watched this highlite reel and dont think this guys going to be a star to be doing the stuff he is doing in his 19 year old year you are dreaming. Secondly he clearly has chemistry with Formenton.
I wouldn't trade Stutzle for Hughes in any scenario.
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That’s a pretty fair assessment, he does seem to lean to a certain type of player, and different takes on some, but I do enjoy reading a detailed list of prospects , and reminder of who drafted them and when.
FYI Hockey News just issued its Yearbook, detailed list of each team and prospects
