Prospect Info: Pronman's (Hockey Prospectus) Top 10 Sabres Propects 2013

[Dubi Doo]

Top 5 or 6 are really strong. Pysyk is 7. IE, Pysyk is not really strong.



Disagree. His combo of hockey sense and mobility gives him as much upside as any of our prospects. When you have those two things, the sky is the limit.

I'm high on Pysyk, too. It's incredibly difficult to rank these guys, though.

 

[Jame]

Top 5 or 6 are really strong. Pysyk is 7. IE, Pysyk is not really strong.

Disagree. His combo of hockey sense and mobility gives him as much upside as any of our prospects. When you have those two things, the sky is the limit.

really? Or are you just exaggerating?

I think what you are trying to say, is that Pysyk's hockey sense and mobility make him more of a sure thing, a safe bet to be a regular NHLer... but those 2 things don't make the "sky the limit".

 

[Lenain22]

Why Connor Hurley is so under the radar..? the Kid have a good size, good hand, look like a very nice passer ? maybe he need to shot more on net...??

 

[TheMistyStranger]

People are going to be surprised at what Compher does if they think he's too high in those rankings.

I agree. I think he'll be a very good top six player.

 

[BananaSquad]

I agree. I think he'll be a very good top six player.

Stafford's replacement down the road.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

really? Or are you just exaggerating?

I think what you are trying to say, is that Pysyk's hockey sense and mobility make him more of a sure thing, a safe bet to be a regular NHLer... but those 2 things don't make the "sky the limit".

I agree with you here. He could be a really good Tallinder imo.

 

[Djp]

And just think, over the next year or 2 they may add 2 more elite top 10 prospects and they have 2 extra 2nd round picks.

5-7 years from now will be fun.

They have 18 potential prospect here......currently have 9 picks in rounds 1-3 the next 2 yrs ( 3 extra 2nd rounders).

If they move Vanek, Miller, and Stafford they should get back 7 picks( rounds 1-3) and prospects.

This accumulates to 34 picks/ prospects. 8 likely 1st rounders. Trades can be made to add the missing pieces.

 

[Djp]

He says our top 5 or 6 is really strong, basically cutting it off right before Pysyk. I wonder why he's so low on him? Pysyk is my no. 2 prospect. I don't know how you can drop someone who's development has come along so flawlessly.

I always find it odd, when a player is first drafted, people always rate them highly, expecting their development to top out. Even when their development goes well or better than expected, people throw next batch in higher. I think it should be the other way around. As they develop, if it's going well, move them up. They've already passed the first test, which is more than can be said for the newly drafted players.

Thie Only issue in the rankings is Compher ahead of Pysyk. The other 5 on the list were drafted in a higher spot that Pysyk in the 1st round.

Grigs 12
Girgs 14
Risto 8
Zadorov 16
Armia 16

Pysyk IIRC was picked in the low 20s in 2010. All of the player listed were picked after him in 2011-13. Some, including Buffalo seemed to have Compher ranked in the low 20s same spot Pysyk was picked.

 

[Myllz]

Thie Only issue in the rankings is Compher ahead of Pysyk. The other 5 on the list were drafted in a higher spot that Pysyk in the 1st round.

Grigs 12
Girgs 14
Risto 8
Zadorov 16
Armia 16

Pysyk IIRC was picked in the low 20s in 2010. All of the player listed were picked after him in 2011-13. Some, including Buffalo seemed to have Compher ranked in the low 20s same spot Pysyk was picked.

Which makes zero difference when ranking prospects.

 

[Chainshot]

Draft strength will also influence early rankings. This was a killer draft year.

 

[Sabre Dance]

They have 18 potential prospect here......currently have 9 picks in rounds 1-3 the next 2 yrs ( 3 extra 2nd rounders).

If they move Vanek, Miller, and Stafford they should get back 7 picks( rounds 1-3) and prospects.

This accumulates to 34 picks/ prospects. 8 likely 1st rounders. Trades can be made to add the missing pieces.

Its easy to see that the future is bright. We just have to have a lot of patience, which is pretty hard to do at this point.

 

[Djp]

Which makes zero difference when ranking prospects.

When they haven't done much at the NHL level...where they were picked and how they were ranked on predraft boards matters if you are going to rank prospects if your pick corresponds to best player available.

It would make zero difference if you were going to rank NHL/AHL level players/prospects between 20-25 who had minimum 2 yrs experience.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Buffalo had him in the 20's on this draft board, which likely should slot him in over a number of picks in the last few years. Pronman really liked him too, pre-draft, so this isn't much of a shock in his listing.

He's also never been a big fan of Pysyk, iirc, so Pysyk being lower than many of us would have him should be no surprise.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Why Connor Hurley is so under the radar..? the Kid have a good size, good hand, look like a very nice passer ? maybe he need to shot more on net...??

Just very far away from being an NHLer. He was literally the youngest player in the draft last year and played most of his hockey at the high school level (with a handful USHL games). He's got nice tools/upside, but quite a ways to go.

 

[UnleashRasmus]

Pronman - Jame - Cerebral
1. Grigor - Risto - Grigorenko
2. Risto - Grigor - Ristolainen
3. Zad - Armia - Armia
4. Armia - Zad - Zadorov
5. Girgs - Girgs - Girgensons
6. Compher - Pysyk - McCabe
7. Pysyk - Larsson - Larsson
8. Larsson - McCabe - Pysyk
9. McCabe - Compher - McNabb
10. McNabb - McNabb - Compher
11. Cat - Cat - Catenacci
12. Hurley - Hackett - Hackett
13. Ruhwedel - Bailey - Andrey Makarov
14. Bailey - Kea - Chad Ruhwedel
15. JGL- Hurley - Bryan Flynn
16 - - Connor Hurley
17. - - Justin Bailey
18. - - Corey Tropp
19. - - Jerome Gauthier-Leduc
20. Linus Ullmark

 

[Jame]

Pronman - Jame - Cerebral
1. Grigor - Risto - Grigorenko
2. Risto - Grigor - Ristolainen
3. Zad - Armia - Armia
4. Armia - Zad - Zadorov
5. Girgs - Girgs - Girgensons
6. Compher - Pysyk - McCabe
7. Pysyk - Larsson - Larsson
8. Larsson - McCabe - Pysyk
9. McCabe - Compher - McNabb
10. McNabb - McNabb - Compher
11. Cat - Cat - Catenacci
12. Hurley - Hackett - Hackett
13. Ruhwedel - Bailey - Andrey Makarov
14. Bailey - Kea - Chad Ruhwedel
15. JGL- Hurley - Bryan Flynn
16. x - Flynn - Connor Hurley
17. x - Ruhwedel - Justin Bailey
18. x - Possler - Corey Tropp
19. x - Makarov - Jerome Gauthier-Leduc
20. x - Peterson - Linus Ullmark
21. x - Baptiste - x
22. x- Tropp - x
23. x - Sundher - x
24. x - Gauthier-Lesuc - x
25. x - Ullmark - x

 

[stokes84]

really? Or are you just exaggerating?

I think what you are trying to say, is that Pysyk's hockey sense and mobility make him more of a sure thing, a safe bet to be a regular NHLer... but those 2 things don't make the "sky the limit".

I don't see why he can't become Duncan Keith. It's a long shot, for sure, but the tools are there. So, yeah, the sky is the limit.

 

[is the answer jesus]

I don't see why he can't become Duncan Keith. It's a long shot, for sure, but the tools are there. So, yeah, the sky is the limit.

I don't see the comparision at all. Pysyk is more likely to become a Sekera/Hamhuis type defenseman. He's got nowhere near the skillset of a guy like Duncan Keith. It's like saying Myers will be the next Chara.

 

[Jame]

I don't see why he can't become Duncan Keith. It's a long shot, for sure, but the tools are there. So, yeah, the sky is the limit.

I guess you could just bundle up that phrase for any prospect

I don't see why he can't become {insert star player}. It's a long shot, for sure, but the tools are there. So, yeah, the sky is the limit.

i mean, if you include the "long shot" caveat.... what's the difference?

are any of our top prospects limits, NOT the sky?

 

[enthusiast]

e:nm

 

[stokes84]

I guess you could just bundle up that phrase for any prospect

I don't see why he can't become {insert star player}. It's a long shot, for sure, but the tools are there. So, yeah, the sky is the limit.

i mean, if you include the "long shot" caveat.... what's the difference?

are any of our top prospects limits, NOT the sky?

Duncan Keith was a mid-2nd rounder known for his skating and hockey sense. What was his ceiling? The sky probably wasn't the limit for him, either.

 

[Jame]

e:nm

damn i missed it

 

[Jame]

Duncan Keith was a mid-2nd rounder known for his skating and hockey sense.

What was his ceiling? The sky probably wasn't the limit for him, either.

should i make a list of late 1st - mid 2nd round defenders who were "known for" their skating and hockey sense?

I guess the sky was the limit for all of them...



I shouldn't bother... i know

 

[jBuds]

not too relevant, but just for discussion purposes...

...6'0, 173 for Duncan Keith his draft year... his lankiness and thin frame were concerns...then he bulked up to 200lbs., grew an inch, and the rest is history...

 

[enthusiast]

damn i missed it

I missed a name and was asking about it