Post-Game Talk: Preseason Game #3 | SABRES @ LEAFS | Fri, Sep 21 @ 7:30pm ET | SportsNet 1 | Scotiabank Arena

[BoredBrandonPridham]

For me personally it comes down to their attitude if the Leafs don't end up winning because some might take it as a chance to say that the Sabres will be better than them, even though we know that's not true.

You should go get some fresh air.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Dahlin is awesome, no doubt.

It's Eichel that's vastly overrated.

This.

The moment he was drafted, I said it's Dahlin's team now. Incredible prospect.

 

[Buds17]

Oz Borgman and Rosen have the advantage of not needing to clear waivers. Carrick makes sense to leave in the pressbox allowing 2 of the former to play heavy minutes with the Marlies.

Personally I think Oz will be the #6 and Carrick the #7

I'm not as certain that Ozhiganov is top six just yet, but if an NHL rookie is going to be there from the start, it definitely seems like a good idea to have an experienced spare. Carrick would be that.

 

[MyBudJT]

I'm not as certain that Ozhiganov is top six just yet, but if an NHL rookie is going to be there from the start, it definitely seems like a good idea to have an experienced spare. Carrick would be that.

If you want an experienced #7, Martin Marincin gets my vote... fills a more important hole (PK), on a cheaper contract, and has played 20% more than Carrick has...

 

[AppsSyl]

If you want an experienced #7, Martin Marincin gets my vote... fills a more important hole (PK), on a cheaper contract, and has played 20% more than Carrick has...

To be honest, I think we deal Carrick. Like Cor said earlier in the thread, it seems apparent Ozhiganov is going to be the #6D at least to start, and Carrick is battling it out for the 7D spot. Given that Holl also requires waivers and Dubas seems to have a soft spot for him, I think he gets the 7D spot to begin with and Carrick and one or both of McE and Pickard are dealt.

 

[MyBudJT]

To be honest, I think we deal Carrick. Like Cor said earlier in the thread, it seems apparent Ozhiganov is going to be the #6D at least to start, and Carrick is battling it out for the 7D spot. Given that Holl also requires waivers and Dubas seems to have a soft spot for him, I think he gets the 7D spot to begin with and Carrick and one or both of McE and Pickard are dealt.

I agree... maybe even package Carrick a couple of players if it could return us a higher quality asset.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Trading one defenseman would solve our log jam at defense. I just assumed it would be someone like Nielsen from the Marlies…

But trading Carrick is cool too. Preferably with a goalie attached. Then keep Marincin up I think and have Borgman, Rosen and Nielsen on the left side with Liljegren, Holl and Loverde on the right. Subban is the 7th defenseman and rotates in for some "development" time.

Durzi and Hollowell still end up back in the OHL IMO.

 

[AppsSyl]

I agree... maybe even package Carrick a couple of players if it could return us a higher quality asset.

I don't mind Carrick and he seems like a good guy, but him in the 6D spot almost seems stale at this point. They need to try something different and with so many guys that are in that same tier as him (Ozhiganov, Borgman, Rosen, Holl) needing a shot it would be wise to move him. There is no way he would make it through waivers, and he his young enough, and still has enough upside to get something for him. It seems like everyone on the team got faster over the summer, but he stayed the same.

 

[Buds17]

If you want an experienced #7, Martin Marincin gets my vote... fills a more important hole (PK), on a cheaper contract, and has played 20% more than Carrick has...

The PK role makes sense, but I could see a group of Hainsey, Zaitsev, Rielly and Dermott too. Marincin's played more overall, though Carrick has played more as a Leaf.

Could be a spot for both if they go with 8D. Think the bottom pairing to start might be Dermott-Carrick though to not be too inexperienced. Expecting Ozhiganov to eventually supplant Carrick as the season progresses. Might have Holl as a spare, unless the plan is to rotate Ozhiganov and Carrick.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I haven't really seen much of anything from camp or pre season so far. Can you guys fill me in with some notes on how Ozhiganov and Lindholm have looked. Thanks.

 

[Maplebeasts]

Really looking forward to seeing SDA play. He's been awesome in camp and at the rookie tournament.

 

[shakes]

For me personally it comes down to their attitude if the Leafs don't end up winning because some might take it as a chance to say that the Sabres will be better than them, even though we know that's not true.

So? What do you care what a bunch of anonymous people on the internet think? It really shouldn't matter in the slightest to you. Call them out on their stupidity if you want and then move on. If people want to be excited about a pre-season game, let them... they already have to live in Buffalo after all so you should give them a break.

 

[biotk]

Trading one defenseman would solve our log jam at defense. I just assumed it would be someone like Nielsen from the Marlies…

But trading Carrick is cool too. Preferably with a goalie attached. Then keep Marincin up I think and have Borgman, Rosen and Nielsen on the left side with Liljegren, Holl and Loverde on the right. Subban is the 7th defenseman and rotates in for some "development" time.

Durzi and Hollowell still end up back in the OHL IMO.

I could see the Leafs trading Carrick if they don't think that he has a shot going forward. If they wanted to trade someone like Nielsen instead the only very minor problem with that is that he is still exempt from waivers (and by that I mean that Carrick and Holl are both not - which is where I see the worst log-jam at the moment if the Leafs decide that Ozhiganov is the best fit for their RD 3rd pairing spot).

I would also say that it is extremely likely that the Marlies carry 8 D next year, just as they did for 95% of the season last year. They play a lot of 3-in-3s. Holl requires waivers for the first time this year (obviously Subban and LoVerde do as well) and I don't have a hard time thinking that there might be a team willing to take a chance on Holl.

So if the Leafs were to trade Carrick and keep 8 D on the roster (for instance - Rielly-Hainsey, Gardiner-Zaitsev, Dermott-Ozhiganov, Marincin-Holl) then the depth on the Marlies starts to look thin (for instance - Borgman-Liljegren, Rosen-LoVerde, Nielsen-Subban - that would allow the Marlies to slot Sandin and either Durzi or Hollowell into their lineup using the same development model that they used for Liljegren last year which I would be more than fine with).

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Trading one defenseman would solve our log jam at defense. I just assumed it would be someone like Nielsen from the Marlies…

But trading Carrick is cool too. Preferably with a goalie attached. Then keep Marincin up I think and have Borgman, Rosen and Nielsen on the left side with Liljegren, Holl and Loverde on the right. Subban is the 7th defenseman and rotates in for some "development" time.

Durzi and Hollowell still end up back in the OHL IMO.

Wait you want Marincin in the NHL?

 

[OVO16]

Kinda want some physicality from the 4th C position. I honestly liked what Jooris provided last game. But Babcock seems to be leaning more towards Lindholm so far

 

[OVO16]

Real Question...will we be able to sign Johnsson a year from now when he hits UFA?

Especially with what our cap will look like after signing Nylander and then Mathews/Marner next offseason?

I'm asking because I've been contemplating a Johnsson/Nick Ritchie Swap. Ritchie still hasnt been signed yet by the ducks

 

[OVO16]

If you want an experienced #7, Martin Marincin gets my vote... fills a more important hole (PK), on a cheaper contract, and has played 20% more than Carrick has...

Martin Marincin is absolute garbage. There's so many more players I would take over this dude. Idk how this guy hasnt been waived yet

 

[biotk]

Real Question...will we be able to sign Johnsson a year from now when he hits UFA?

Johnsson will still be an RFA in a year, but he will have arbitration rights. And no, it seems unlikely the Leafs will be able to afford him. AJ accepted the offer sheet this year knowing that next year will bring a big pay raise (but probably on another team).

 

[biotk]

Martin Marincin is absolute garbage. There's so many more players I would take over this dude. Idk how this guy hasnt been waived yet

Marincin was very valuable on the Marlies last season. He was probably also a great D for young Marlies D to learn from. He doesn't belong on the Leafs (at least not in a top-6 role. I am supportive of the Leafs running 11F, 7D with Marincin as a PK specialist who plays very little ES), but he is not garbage.

 

[OVO16]

Marincin was very valuable on the Marlies last season. He was probably also a great D for young Marlies D to learn from. He doesn't belong on the Leafs (at least not in a top-6 role. I am supportive of the Leafs running 11F, 7D with Marincin as a PK specialist who plays very little ES), but he is not garbage.

Fair enough. But I personally believe he's had enough chances to make the team, and don't think he should be taking up someone's spot on the marlies squad either. I personally think he's time as a NHL'r should be over

 

[OVO16]

Johnsson will still be an RFA in a year, but he will have arbitration rights. And no, it seems unlikely the Leafs will be able to afford him. AJ accepted the offer sheet this year knowing that next year will bring a big pay raise (but probably on another team).

A ducks fan just told me he's fine with a Johnsson for N. Ritchie 1 for 1 swap.

I think Nick Ritchie would be a great complimentary piece for this group of forwards that we have

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Johnsson will still be an RFA in a year, but he will have arbitration rights. And no, it seems unlikely the Leafs will be able to afford him. AJ accepted the offer sheet this year knowing that next year will bring a big pay raise (but probably on another team).

He'll likely earn a contract between Hyman and Brown's I would think. He'll probably be a 4th liner for most of the season with limited powerplay time

 

[Voodoo Child]

Johnsson will still be an RFA in a year, but he will have arbitration rights. And no, it seems unlikely the Leafs will be able to afford him. AJ accepted the offer sheet this year knowing that next year will bring a big pay raise (but probably on another team).

We can always find the cash to give him something like 2.5 for two more years.

I mean I'm expecting a good season from him - good as in about 35-45 points, not for him to blow the doors off and get 65 points or whatever.

He does that however and asks more than we can afford, he's gone and we get something good back.

 

[biotk]

He'll likely earn a contract between Hyman and Brown's I would think. He'll probably be a 4th liner for most of the season with limited powerplay time

We can always find the cash to give him something like 2.5 for two more years.

I mean I'm expecting a good season from him - good as in about 35-45 points, not for him to blow the doors off and get 65 points or whatever.

He does that however and asks more than we can afford, he's gone and we get something good back.

I wasn't saying that Johnsson was going to be demanding 4M or anything like that. I just don't think that the Leafs will be able to pay him or Kappy the 2 - 2.5M a year they will likely deserve either. When Matthews and Marner are paid the 3rd and 4th line wingers are going to be ELCs and league minimum signing vets.​

 

[LeafsNation75]

I know it's not going to be official since it's preseason but this will be the first game played in Toronto under the Scotiabank Arena name and not Air Canada Centre.