GDT: Preseason #5 | Bruins at Flyers | October 2, 2023 | 7:00 PM | NESN, NBCSP

[VladDrag]

I listened to the game. I try not to listen to the BS they throw out. Just the names of the players and what they did or didn’t do. One player name not called much was Laughton. Brink, Tippet and Frost the most for forwards. Probably Sanheim and Zamula for D. Is that what you saw as well?

(Replying to you since you asked)

A few thoughts

-The flyers dressed a much stronger, but the Flyers did what they should have done…basically dominated most of the game
-Couts flashed a bit more than the previous two games, which is good to see. He looked great with Brink as a winger. Still not a complete old school Couts but happy with what I saw
-Brink was outstanding.
-Atkinson’s play was very exciting to see. He is a very mature offensive player, basically he makes very good decisions in the offensive zone. Worked very well with Frost and Tippett, who have always worked well together. Both play well.
-Tippett looked better last night, I still want to see him get better in cycle. He doesn’t appear to anticipate as well as others. He’s not bad there, but could get better.
-Laughton was invisible.
-I would love to be a fly on the wall during the power play deployment conversations. The first unit, which kind of switched players around but was mainly York, Couts, TK, Foerster, Atkinson looked a lot like last year’s Pp, lots of perimeter passing. Every once in a while they moved the puck to the slot for a shot…The second unit (Brink, Frost, Tippett, Risto/Sanheim, Cates) had better puck movement and got the puck to the slot/high slot more effectively. It was notable that Farabee didn’t get any time on the PP.

 

[deadhead]

Couts has always been a subtle player, he didn't wow with his skating before the injury, he's not going to after the injury. But he's shaking off the rust.

Atkinson might be the perfect partner for Tippetet - Frost, given neither has started a full season. Then move Cates/Gauthier/Brink to their LW next season and Tiippett back to RW

Torts said last night's team was basically the "team" outside of one or two changes.
And I think Briere will be keeping his phone close to him next weekend.

They're stuck with Deslauriers probably until next summer, hard to move, but will be the 12th man in terms of minutes again.

Ginning is gone, but Attard might stick. Zamula is not just a lock, but going to be a top 4 D-man for them (his job to lose, it seems).

Foerster may lose a numbers game if they don't want to expose Allison. I think Laczynski will pass through waivers and be injury depth in LHV.

Same with Ersson, they'll expose Peterson but may not want to give up on Sandstrom (shall I refer to all the strings whining about losing Stolarz? And look how Lyon played - goalie coaching might be their strength).

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Torts said Thursday’s lineup is pretty much the team, not last night.

 

[deadhead]

"Still wants to get one more look at a player or two but most of OL lineup seems set."

However, Briere is also looking at these players, and if Foerster and Brink are both NHL ready, that makes a veteran forward expendable. Meanwhile, there's probably a playoff team dissatisfied with their bottom six. So stay tuned. Same with Attard, you keep him to play him, which means a veteran D-man needs to be moved.

If you're rebuilding, you're not worried about putting the best team on the ice in October 2023, but October 2026 or 2027 (the asset collection phase of rebuilding will be over by 2025, simply b/c most tradable veterans will be traded by then).

So you're willing to send Foerster and Ersson and Attard down to LHV to start the season to buy time to garner assets for the veterans blocking them. The worst trades are the ones you feel forced to make. You don't want to give away Allison or Sandstrom if you think there might be a market (the option to waive is always available).

 

[Cody Webster]

Wait, now Deslauriers is hard to move? I thought we were told countless times how it'd be so easy to move him and his contract?

Really glad they held onto Captain Laughton and didn't trade him for a 1st and 3rd. He's looking really good out there....oh wait, it was just a rumor and only certain rumors apply

 

[04hockey]

Wait, now Deslauriers is hard to move? I thought we were told countless times how it'd be so easy to move him and his contract?

Really glad they held onto Captain Laughton and didn't trade him for a 1st and 3rd. He's looking really good out there....oh wait, it was just a rumor and only certain rumors apply

KEEP HIM, he keeps the other thugs on certain teams from running our smaller talent

If we don't we'll regret it

 

[deadhead]

Wait, now Deslauriers is hard to move? I thought we were told countless times how it'd be so easy to move him and his contract?

Really glad they held onto Captain Laughton and didn't trade him for a 1st and 3rd. He's looking really good out there....oh wait, it was just a rumor and only certain rumors apply

Deslauriers has a NTC and 3 years left, next summer, no NTC and 2 years left.

 

[Beef Invictus]

KEEP HIM, he keeps the other thugs on certain teams from running our smaller talent

If we don't we'll regret it

He has never once protected anyone. All that still happened last year as he watched and did nothing.

There is no such thing as "protection" in today's NHL. It's a long-dead myth. Things have changed. He provides absolutely nothing of value.

 

[dragonoffrost]

KEEP HIM, he keeps the other thugs on certain teams from running our smaller talent

If we don't we'll regret it

shocking!

He has never once protected anyone. All that still happened last year as he watched and did nothing.

There is no such thing as "protection" in today's NHL. It's a long-dead myth. Things have changed. He provides absolutely nothing of value.

One thing hasn't changed... Neanderthal fans who want knuckledraggers like ND on the roster.

 

[Audible Velvet]

He has never once protected anyone. All that still happened last year as he watched and did nothing.

There is no such thing as "protection" in today's NHL. It's a long-dead myth. Things have changed. He provides absolutely nothing of value.

And why didn’t Attard make the team after that?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

It's preseason, you see things you'll never see again. Like Risto at the point on the PP.

Brink has gone from LHV to the bubble to a starting job in two weeks - forget the scoring, his skating just keeps improving. He's not the fastest from point A to point B, but his edge work and short area agility, combined with his vision, passing and shot, trying to think of an undersized Flyer forward who played a similar game. He also showed he could play his off wing if needed. It'll be interesting to see how he does v Caufield. He's 6 months younger, thicker but lost time with the shoulder injury.

Foerster was alright, but I don't think he's done enough to be guaranteed a job given he's behind Brink. Same with Allison, who hasn't stood out enough to say got to keep him. On the other hand, if some team makes a solid offer for Laughton or Hathaway, they've both played well enough to say yes.

Can we STFU about Zamula being waived? He's led D-men in 5x5 minutes the last two games and played well, I don't think you give a player you're gonna waive that kind of minutes in your last preseason games. It's looking more like he's going to be paired with Sanheim on a regular basis.

Poehling had a great camp, if he gets off to a good start, I can see him getting a 2 year extension and reasonable money to be the 4C.

1. why do you think you will never see risto on the point on the pp again?

2. you really need to stop with the they will trade GH and laughton. Why cant you accept they are flyers "type" players and beloved?

3. the question becomes to me will Zamula ride the bench or be in the top 6? Hopefully top6 though will believe it when I see it. If so how long of a leash will he have?

4. there is no need to ext Poehling if he gets off to a good start. Why not trade him while value is high? 4th line centers can be found all the time.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

"Still wants to get one more look at a player or two but most of OL lineup seems set."

However, Briere is also looking at these players, and if Foerster and Brink are both NHL ready, that makes a veteran forward expendable. Meanwhile, there's probably a playoff team dissatisfied with their bottom six. So stay tuned. Same with Attard, you keep him to play him, which means a veteran D-man needs to be moved.

If you're rebuilding, you're not worried about putting the best team on the ice in October 2023, but October 2026 or 2027 (the asset collection phase of rebuilding will be over by 2025, simply b/c most tradable veterans will be traded by then).

So you're willing to send Foerster and Ersson and Attard down to LHV to start the season to buy time to garner assets for the veterans blocking them. The worst trades are the ones you feel forced to make. You don't want to give away Allison or Sandstrom if you think there might be a market (the option to waive is always available).

do you think they may extend Torts at some point? Since your talking 2026 why not let him finish the rebuild?

What market are those 2 going to have? If they improve their play then you would keep them no? If either are wiaved and claimed so be it. No great lose and wish them success elsewhere.

 

[Curufinwe]

The Flyers should use Risto a 3rd pair PP specialist while they're stuck with his contract.

 

[deadhead]

Desaluriers would be much easier to move next summer with 2 years left and his NTC gone.

 

[deadhead]

1. why do you think you will never see risto on the point on the pp again?

2. you really need to stop with the they will trade GH and laughton. Why cant you accept they are flyers "type" players and beloved?

3. the question becomes to me will Zamula ride the bench or be in the top 6? Hopefully top6 though will believe it when I see it. If so how long of a leash will he have?

4. there is no need to ext Poehling if he gets off to a good start. Why not trade him while value is high? 4th line centers can be found all the time.

He's 24. Why wouldn't you keep him if he's an above average 4C?

Zamula has lead the D-men in 5x5 minutes the last two games, I doubt he's getting that much PT to prepare hiim to ride the bench - they're testing whether he can hold up as Sanheim's partner.

Attard is the one more likely to ride the bench b/c they'll want to play Walker to boost his TDL value.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Imagine giving a fighter a NTC

 

[blackjackmulligan]

He's 24. Why wouldn't you keep him if he's an above average 4C?

Zamula has lead the D-men in 5x5 minutes the last two games, I doubt he's getting that much PT to prepare hiim to ride the bench - they're testing whether he can hold up as Sanheim's partner.

Attard is the one more likely to ride the bench b/c they'll want to play Walker to boost his TDL value.

because a good start and wanting to sign is an overreaction is why. No need to rush it.

I don't care what Zamula has lead. Actions my man actions. When it happens I will then give the coach credit. The question was how long a leash will he have before the coach benches him?

Walker should play as he is a better dman. This boosting value really doesn't float in most cases imo. Guys like Seeler and staal their value is pretty much set. Walker yes it may fluctuate as teams want to see if how he is 2 years no removed from surgery. Then maybe the flyers like what they see and extend him. Not impossible to see happen.

 

[dragonoffrost]

He's 24. Why wouldn't you keep him if he's an above average 4C?

Zamula has lead the D-men in 5x5 minutes the last two games, I doubt he's getting that much PT to prepare hiim to ride the bench - they're testing whether he can hold up as Sanheim's partner.

Attard is the one more likely to ride the bench b/c they'll want to play Walker to boost his TDL value.

What has been said year after year about training camp....

NEVER USE TRAINING CAMP TO PREDICT REGULAR SEASON. It's a trap.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Desaluriers would be much easier to move next summer with 2 years left and his NTC gone.

Its doubtful he will be considered an NHL player by any other team by next summer.

 

[FLYguy3911]

What this team saw in Risto to give him PP time I will never know. Guy just sleep walks out there.

Likewise, Adam Ginning should not be within sniffing distance of an NHL roster. He is so bad. So far behind every play. To think they view this guy at (or above!) Zamula’s level is a travesty. He would be the absolute best tank commander though.

As has been said previously, there is some potential in this to be an enjoyable team, but there is too much dead weight on the roster. It was avoidable too.

 

[freakydallas13]

Despite your penchant to lecture people about the way this team operates, you know just as much about how they think as the rest of us, and know less than reporters in the industry from which rumours come. Do rumours always turn out to be true? Of course not, but the people with connections to the organization still have actual sources for the stuff they put out there most of the time, you have nothing but rampant speculation.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Are we allowed to call other posters "f***ing idiots" when they deserve it? Asking for a friend.

 

[wankstifier]

Are we allowed to call other posters "f***ing idiots" when they deserve it? Asking for a friend.

I think the work-around for flaming is if you say "bless your heart, [insert name of f***ing idiot]"

 

[dragonoffrost]

I think the work-around for flaming is if you say "bless your heart, [insert name of f***ing idiot]"

Or "Well ain't that sweet _____________"

 

[deadhead]

Its doubtful he will be considered an NHL player by any other team by next summer.

Have all the dinosaurs gone extinct?

Desaluriers would be much easier to move next summer with 2 years left and his NTC gone.

Imagine using #19 to draft a HS kid with limited film against real competition.
Or giving Weise a 4 yr deal at $2.35M when the cap was $73M.
A decade of errors.