Post-Game Talk: Pre-Season GM 7: Canucks 5 @ Edmonton 2 - Cracknell the Defender Edition

[JuniorNelson]

In a perfect world Vey, Prust, Sbisa and Miller are on a rocket ship to space. Sadly I have a feeling our views of who has earned a spot differ greatly from management.

It's not unrealistic to imagine these guys as spares.

 

[Robongo01]

Hope that doesn't mean Gaunce has been cut already

He was cut last game.










needed a lot of sitches

 

[HankNDank]

If it's Palat-Johnson-Drouin, I believe they're all under $1m a piece.

From what I have heard, Drouin has been with Stamkos all pre-season. Considering Stamkos had over 2 min more per game than Johnson last year, I would still call that their first line.

In either case, yes bad cap management on our part :-(

Edit: - Just checked and Palat and Johnson are both making 3.33m/year.

 

[Ho Borvat]

And again, I don't really care.

You do it on merit based on their play and readiness. You treat every prospect the same.

If Gaunce has had a better preseason than Virtanen and looks like a better fit to help the team more, he should be the one that stays. Doing the opposite is just weak management and horribly unfair to the player who did the best job.

If McCann makes the team, there is essentially 1 roster spot open on the team (until Higgins gets back in ~2 weeks). I assume we both agree that Gaunce shouldn't be our 13th forward (personally I would go Vey as #13).

Even though Gaunce has had a solid pre-season, I would still have Kenins ahead of him (because of his strong play last year) and would have him in the lineup over Gaunce. We're essentially arguing over who will be our 12th forward for ~ 2 weeks.

Whether thats Gaunce/Virtanen/Kenins I really don't think it is a huge difference either way as they all bring some combination of size/physicality. As long as the 12th forward isn't Vey, I am happy.

Again, Gaunce will get his NHL games this year at some point. For JV, I think long term getting him exposure to NHL games would be good for his development (whether its pre-season, or if he get his 9 games).

Sedin
Sedin
Burrows
Vrbata
Horvat
Hansen
Sutter
Dorsett
Prust
Baertschi
McCann*
_________**

**Virtanen/Kenins/Gaunce/Vey.

 

[Eddy Punch Clock]

@VanCanucks: Coach Desjardins at the mic. Said he expects McCann, Virtanen and Hutton in, and no Gaunce tonight. #Canucks

With two games to go, and McCann getting both of them, (Jake probably will too) looks like Guance is definitely going to start in the NHL. Damn...he missed a free trip to France too.

edit:

He was cut last game.

Hadn't heard that.

Oh well, he'll get some call up time.

 

[Addison Rae]

From what I have heard, Drouin has been with Stamkos all pre-season. Considering Stamkos had over 2 min more per game than Johnson last year, I would still call that their first line.

In either case, yes bad cap management on our part :-(

Edit: - Just checked and Palat and Johnson are both making 3.33m/year.

Just excellent contracts, look at what competent management can do to a team, sigh.

 

[rypper]

With two games to go, and McCann getting both of them, (Jake probably will too) looks like Guance is definitely going to start in the NHL. Damn...he missed a free trip to France too.

edit:


Hadn't heard that.

Oh well, he'll get some call up time.

you missed the joke he was making, gaunce is still up.

 

[HankNDank]

With two games to go, and McCann getting both of them, (Jake probably will too) looks like Guance is definitely going to start in the NHL. Damn...he missed a free trip to France too.

edit:


Hadn't heard that.

Oh well, he'll get some call up time.

He was LITERALLY cut, not FIGURATIVELY cut.

 

[ihaveyuidonttouchme]

you missed the joke he was making, gaunce is still up.

which one, Guance or Gaunce?

 

[Rex Banner]

I wouldn't mind seeing Virtanen putting McDavid on his ass again.

 

[WTG]

I wouldn't mind seeing Virtanen putting McDavid on his ass again.

I wouldn't mind it either.

Especially to see the Edmonton fans/media react to Virtanen sitting McDavid down again.

 

[Ho Borvat]

TBH I am a bit surprised that Cracknell is still up and in the lineup.

It doesn't make sense to keep Gaunce out and Cracknell in...

 

[a Fool]

Gaunce is probably just being given the day off. He was bleeding profusely the whole game.

 

[Powder]

TBH I am a bit surprised that Cracknell is still up and in the lineup.

It doesn't make sense to keep Gaunce out and Cracknell in...

Other than his busted nose?

 

[VanJack]

If McCann makes the team, there is essentially 1 roster spot open on the team (until Higgins gets back in ~2 weeks). I assume we both agree that Gaunce shouldn't be our 13th forward (personally I would go Vey as #13).

Even though Gaunce has had a solid pre-season, I would still have Kenins ahead of him (because of his strong play last year) and would have him in the lineup over Gaunce. We're essentially arguing over who will be our 12th forward for ~ 2 weeks.

Whether thats Gaunce/Virtanen/Kenins I really don't think it is a huge difference either way as they all bring some combination of size/physicality. As long as the 12th forward isn't Vey, I am happy.

Again, Gaunce will get his NHL games this year at some point. For JV, I think long term getting him exposure to NHL games would be good for his development (whether its pre-season, or if he get his 9 games).

Sedin
Sedin
Burrows
Vrbata
Horvat
Hansen
Sutter
Dorsett
Prust
Baertschi
McCann*
_________**

**Virtanen/Kenins/Gaunce/Vey.

How could Linden Vey be the 13th forward over anybody, the way he's played in the post-season?....get it over with and put him on waivers and get him to Utica....no way he won't clear.

 

[crazyforhockey]

Two crucial games for Sven Baertschi to have a good game.......he hasnt looked IMO

 

[Ho Borvat]

How could Linden Vey be the 13th forward over anybody, the way he's played in the post-season?....get it over with and put him on waivers and get him to Utica....no way he won't clear.

I think theres a good argument to keep Vey on as the 13th forward (not advocating him to be on the starting 12).

1) You don't want to keep one of the younger kids around as the 13th forward, better to get them playing time in the CHL/AHL.

2) We're all penciling Baertschi into a top-6 offensive role (similar to what we did with Vey last season) with no idea how its going to turn out. Having Vey as the 13th forward (instead of a guy like Cracknell) creates competition for guys like Baertschi/McCann.

3) Also, being able to play center or wing gives us some flexibility if we run into last minute injuries and you can't call someone up in time.

4) I honestly believe he would be claimed off waivers. As mediocre as Vey has been, I don't like the idea of losing players on waivers.

Im not advocating playing time for Vey, but I think he is a fine insurance option as the 13th forward and provides some lineup flexibility in emergency situations.

 

[Ho Borvat]

Other than his busted nose?

Forgot about his nose

Thats a fair point.

 

[Ho Borvat]

Two crucial games for Sven Baertschi to have a good game.......he hasnt looked IMO

Agreed. I'd like to see a good showing out of Sven tonight.

If he plays w/ Horvat and Virtanen that should hopefully open up some ice for him so he can get a chance to work some magic.

 

[WTG]

The Vey experiment needs to end.

It's time to groom McCann for his spot.

 

[Pip]

The Vey experiment needs to end.

It's time to groom McCann for his spot.

So you're saying that McCann should be playing between Dorsett and Prust tonight?

 

[Rex Banner]

The Vey experiment needs to end.

It's time to groom McCann for his spot.

I'd actually like to see Vey on McCann's wing. I think he's a better player than most are giving him credit for.

 

[WTG]

So you're saying that McCann should be playing between Dorsett and Prust tonight?

No I'm saying Vey shouldn't get the pre-season ice time he's getting. Instead this is when you try McCann in the top 6.

 

[Pip]

No I'm saying Vey shouldn't get the pre-season ice time he's getting. Instead this is when you try McCann in the top 6.

Why would playing McCann in the top 6 prepare him for the season. It was also never Vey's role. Playing him with Kenins/Hansen/Dorsett (his likely linemates if he was to make the team) would make the most sense no?

Or is he auditioning for a top 6 role?

 

[WTG]

Why would playing McCann in the top 6 prepare him for the season. It was also never Vey's role. Playing him with Kenins/Hansen/Dorsett (his likely linemates if he was to make the team) would make the most sense no?

Or is he auditioning for a top 6 role?

I would like to see McCann get the opportunities that Vey is getting.

That's what I'm trying to get at. I think putting him in a top 6 role will give him a bunch of confidence.