Post-Game Talk: Pre-season Game 4 - Jets vs Oilers - 7:00 pm CT - TSN3

[Trilliann]

is there an undefeated team in preseason so far? Are we tied for first? Can we be the Pre-season champions?

the Leafs are undefeated.

 

[GNP]

3 Jets that look in mid-season form to me are

1) Buff

2) Scheif

3) Wheeler

I'd really like to see Brossoit in goal in one of our next 2 preseason games. He was so impressive last time he played. I feel quite strongly he will be our backup Goaltender, and will do a great job, even if Helle gets injured. I hope they play him.

Also I think Joe Morrow will come into his own this year. The guy impresses me, and I think he'll be a regular on the Jet's defense. I don't even think we'll need Trouba, and they should start trying to deal him now, while the return would be the greatest.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

I don't even think we'll need Trouba

Most teams need a 1st line defenseman or two, so I'd disagree with this.

 

[Channelcat]

Most teams need a 1st line defenseman or two, so I'd disagree with this.

Unless he's playing with Buff, he's not a first liner. But yes, I know what you're saying, it wouldnt take much for this D (or any D) to start looking thin.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Unless he's playing with Buff, he's not a first liner.

That's not backed by either stats or eye test. He's a first pairing defenseman. Morrissey also works well with him, letting Buff feast from the second pairing.

 

[HannuJ]

so can we agree that:
Myers shouldn't play on the off-side?
Poolman has NOT had an impressive camp and likely starts with the Moose
the Little Question is actually the Quite A Big Question

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Scheif is bae. And he works great with wheeler. We're lucky to have both.

Is the six man unit of:

Laine-Scheif-Wheeler

Morrissey-buff

Hellebyuck

The best in the league?

 

[sashalaine]

Why is Beyak calling him Vassalainen? Eating too much petroleum jelly, methinks

Yeah, I wish someone would correct him, it makes me want to rip my ears off every time I hear it.

VES-ah-lie-nen

 

[HannuJ]

the comments re: Vasalainen are pretty telling.
what i'm reading:
"we'll force him into third line minutes so he doesn't return back to Europe."
nothing in Vesalainen's game has shown that he should draw in on the 3rd line. he's been fine. zero shot attempts for a scorer doth not equal a spot in the line-up.
i wouldn't mind some seasoning on the Moose and it's unfortunate that it's looking like his camp doesn't see it that way

 

[Channelcat]

That's not backed by either stats or eye test. He's a first pairing defenseman. Morrissey also works well with him, letting Buff feast from the second pairing.

I'm not sure who started this whole idea of 8/44 being our top pairing. I'm not even a Buff fan, but there is no question who the 1D is on this team. Buff leads this D in minutes, points and every meaningful stat there is.

 

[Channelcat]

Yeah, I wish someone would correct him, it makes me want to rip my ears off every time I hear it.

VES-ah-lie-nen

Dennis needs to forget the whole proper pronunciation deal and say what people want to hear. I agree. VAS a lianen makes me want to throw up.

 

[Gil Fisher]

the comments re: Vasalainen are pretty telling.
what i'm reading:
"we'll force him into third line minutes so he doesn't return back to Europe."
nothing in Vesalainen's game has shown that he should draw in on the 3rd line. he's been fine. zero shot attempts for a scorer doth not equal a spot in the line-up.
i wouldn't mind some seasoning on the Moose and it's unfortunate that it's looking like his camp doesn't see it that way

not seeing "force" anywhere

 

[bumblebeeman]

I'm not sure who started this whole idea of 8/44 being our top pairing. I'm not even a Buff fan, but there is no question who the 1D is on this team. Buff leads this D in minutes, points and every meaningful stat there is.

If Buff is the 1D doesn't that mean the Jets will have Morrow/Chiarot/Myers playing on the top pairing with him?

 

[PhilJets]

Scheif is bae. And he works great with wheeler. We're lucky to have both.

Is the six man unit of:

Laine-Scheif-Wheeler

Morrissey-buff

Hellebyuck

The best in the league?

Its one of the best.

They are in top 100 players
I think the Jets and 1 other team have six, the highest for any team.
But instead of Morrissey Ehlers is in that top 100 current NHL players.

Buff,Wheeler,Schiefele and Laine all in the top 40.

 

[PhilJets]

I'm not sure who started this whole idea of 8/44 being our top pairing. I'm not even a Buff fan, but there is no question who the 1D is on this team. Buff leads this D in minutes, points and every meaningful stat there is.

Shhhhh....

Everybody is making Trouba think that
So he would stay.

But i guess its not working

 

[Duke749]

I'm not sure who started this whole idea of 8/44 being our top pairing. I'm not even a Buff fan, but there is no question who the 1D is on this team. Buff leads this D in minutes, points and every meaningful stat there is.

Buff doesn’t play against the toughest competition. 44-8 do. That’s a fact. There’s no way to twist that. A team’s top pairing plays against the toughest competition at 5on5. Buff does not. He Jets are pretty deep in the backend so they can spread minutes around pretty well to maximize things. So you’re just plain wrong.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I'm not sure who started this whole idea of 8/44 being our top pairing. I'm not even a Buff fan, but there is no question who the 1D is on this team. Buff leads this D in minutes, points and every meaningful stat there is.

Buff doesn’t play against the toughest competition. 44-8 do. That’s a fact. There’s no way to twist that. A team’s top pairing plays against the toughest competition at 5on5. Buff does not. He Jets are pretty deep in the backend so they can spread minutes around pretty well to maximize things. So you’re just plain wrong.

I think you're both kind of right to be honest.

Buff definitely played the most minutes per game, most points, shots, etc. So by that measure, he certainly is the "1D". But Trouba and Morrissey also were the #1 shutdown tandem.

 

[Tommigun]

I'm not sure who started this whole idea of 8/44 being our top pairing. I'm not even a Buff fan, but there is no question who the 1D is on this team. Buff leads this D in minutes, points and every meaningful stat there is.

But what about Corsi?

 

[Trilliann]

Hope Laine is calling himself out before regular season and pulls an Ovechkin 7 in 2 to start the season.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I thought he was better, but I think he's destined for the Moose after the Myers LD debacle.

ELL was a debacle but that didn't stop Maurice from sticking with it.

 

[FinJetster]

You can see it that way, or you can see him as being overly optimistic. After all, he basically said he sucks now at everything, but in two weeks he's definitely gonna be good to go.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

I'm not sure who started this whole idea of 8/44 being our top pairing. I'm not even a Buff fan, but there is no question who the 1D is on this team. Buff leads this D in minutes, points and every meaningful stat there is.

I said 1st pairing D - Trouba and Morrissey log about 18m per game, while Buff logs 20m of EV TOI per game.

Buff is ... unusual. I still stand by my 1st PAIRING statement regarding Trouba.

I think you're both kind of right to be honest.

Buff definitely played the most minutes per game, most points, shots, etc. So by that measure, he certainly is the "1D". But Trouba and Morrissey also were the #1 shutdown tandem.

Yep.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Well to be fair I've barely seen anything to indicate Laine is a 44 goal scorer or that Ehlers is even an NHL player so far this preseason either.

Concerns about Little being a 2C are fine, but not based on these absurd preseason games. Once they cut down most of the chafe and they bring it up a notch, then let's see.

Even if we ignore the pre-season, Ehlers is on a 17 game goalless drought. Is he getting the chances and just having really poor puck luck, or is there something more concerning there in his play?

 

[Ducky10]

Even if we ignore the pre-season, Ehlers is on a 17 game goalless drought. Is he getting the chances and just having really poor puck luck, or is there something more concerning there in his play?

I'm not concerned about Ehers, he'll be fine.

 

[MardyBum]

Even if we ignore the pre-season, Ehlers is on a 17 game goalless drought. Is he getting the chances and just having really poor puck luck, or is there something more concerning there in his play?

No concern. He was near the top 5 percent in the league in zone entries/exit %. And up there in shot contributions as well. He just had a terrible cold streak in the playoffs.