Post-Game Talk: Post Game: Fleury vs. The Jets

[Jag68Sid87]

This opinion is wrong.

Scuderi is playing better than last year because he's playing less. He's not capable of playing significant minutes, and if he would start then all his flaws would be exploited again. He's a #6 dman at best.

Where in my comment did I mention playing Scuderi more? He's valuable because he's playing the right amount, on the third pairing.

Martin and Ehrhoff play more, but we have guys to play more now. Their games are largely redundant, while Scuderi brings something else.

Plus, you can sit Scuderi. You can't really sit the other guys, only trade them away.

 

[66-30-33]

Now we know that Despres and Kane would be best friends if we would trade for Kane. GET ON IT JR!

Yes, get it done Shero!!!! oh...JR....worry about the 3rd line when you can complete the first 2 lines.

 

[MtlPenFan]

If this season is teaching us anything, it's that we need to forget about the past mistakes and trust the young talent. Maatta was arguably our best player before being sidelined. Despres is emerging as a force. Bortuzzo has stepped right in and played well.

Now we need more youth up front. Trade veteran D-men for youth up front and insert more youth on D.

Johnston's system doesn't discriminate against the non-10-year veterans like some other coach we used to know.

I agree with all of this. Team's a lock for the playoffs and one of the top seeds in the Conference as long as Sid and Geno are around. Just sink or ****ing swim already. At worse, it'll be valuable experience going forward.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

Fun stat from last night:

Forsberg and Trouba combined for:

2G, 0A, 2P, -1, 4 PIM, 8 SOG

 

[66-30-33]

Harrington for Martin, Pouliot for Ehrhoff, Dumo for Scuderi. This team was flying last season when we rolled all our young D.

 

[Slabber Chops]

I'm almost out of data on my broadband so I can't watch at the moment but the highlights showed me something about Fleury's game. He's relaxed again, still in the crease, and letting the puck hit him rather than chasing the puck. He's bacckkkkk..

 

[radapex]

I'm almost out of data on my broadband so I can't watch at the moment but the highlights showed me something about Fleury's game. He's relaxed again, still in the crease, and letting the puck hit him rather than chasing the puck. He's bacckkkkk..

Outside of the Flyers game and the first period of the Devils game, his composure has been much better this season. Getting over the mental block with those two opponents, in particular, would be tremendous.

 

[PensPlz]

Outside of the Flyers game and the first period of the Devils game, his composure has been much better this season. Getting over the mental block with those two opponents, in particular, would be tremendous.

That could be said for the entire team.

 

[DegenX]

This entire board has been clamoring for Sid and Geno to shoot more. Putting Geno on the left side and Sid on the right side gives them both the advantage of having an entire half of zone to dictate the power play. If you add Ehrhoff, they are going to go back to deferring to a player because he's got a shot. I think in the ultimate scheme of things, simply cycling Ehrhoff and Letang in that position is the way to go. Letang gets the first forty seconds, if the puck goes the other way, put Hoff out with the first power play for another thirty seconds.

I think everyone has been clamoring for Sid and Geno to shoot more in general, not just on the PP. Especially Geno. And having Erhoff on the first unit wouldn't necessarily mean they would be deferring to him. A good PPQB isn't going to just be firing shots from the point, he's also going to be looking to set up guys in position to score.

Letang has neither the shot nor the vision right now to consistently be effective in that role IMO. With time and effort he could be (maybe, hopefully), which is why I think putting him on the second unit makes sense. Less pressure, maybe a little more time to think until it 'clicks' for him, for lack of a better word.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think everyone has been clamoring for Sid and Geno to shoot more in general, not just on the PP. Especially Geno. And having Erhoff on the first unit wouldn't necessarily mean they would be deferring to him. A good PPQB isn't going to just be firing shots from the point, he's also going to be looking to set up guys in position to score.

Letang has neither the shot nor the vision right now to consistently be effective in that role IMO. With time and effort he could be (maybe, hopefully), which is why I think putting him on the second unit makes sense. Less pressure, maybe a little more time to think until it 'clicks' for him, for lack of a better word.

Is that why our power play is connecting at ridiculous numbers with him playing on it? I mean, we can give Letang ****, but the fact is our power play has always produced with him on the point. Usually, what happens in the playoffs is that Crosby and Malkin get too fancy and start trying to do dispy doodle passes and then our power play sucks.

 

[MtlPenFan]

Is that why our power play is connecting at ridiculous numbers with him playing on it? I mean, we can give Letang ****, but the fact is our power play has always produced with him on the point. Usually, what happens in the playoffs is that Crosby and Malkin get too fancy and start trying to do dispy doodle passes and then our power play sucks.

And it worked great with Nisky on it too.

 

[Gurglesons]

And it worked great with Nisky on it too.

So, you're one of those people who thought trading Letang and signing Niskanen would've been a worthwhile move?

 

[MtlPenFan]

So, you're one of those people who thought trading Letang and signing Niskanen would've been a worthwhile move?

No, not at the amount he signed for.

But if you want to look at Nisky's point totals this year as compared to last year, it's safe to say certain players will have inflated numbers because of 71 & 87.

Letang got payed for those inflated numbers, and Nisky got paid.

I'd take Nisky at 4M over Letang at 7M any day.

 

[Fordy]

Is that why our power play is connecting at ridiculous numbers with him playing on it? I mean, we can give Letang ****, but the fact is our power play has always produced with him on the point. Usually, what happens in the playoffs is that Crosby and Malkin get too fancy and start trying to do dispy doodle passes and then our power play sucks.

no idea why you'd say this in the post-game thread where we saw exactly how to shut down that ridiculous powerplay? as everyone predicted, they exploited letang's terrible, idiotic plays at the point on the pp

 

[Gurglesons]

no idea why you'd say this in the post-game thread where we saw exactly how to shut down that ridiculous powerplay? as everyone predicted, they exploited letang's terrible, idiotic plays at the point on the pp

Malkin had just as many flubs in the Jets game. The entire first power play was basically him flubbing passes and ****. The fact is all three of Malkin, Crosby and Letang make terribly stupid plays on the power play which often lead to the puck going the other way. Letang is one of the few defensemen we have that has the speed to get back and help make up for those mistakes.

I just watched the first power play. The first break-up in play is because Crosby makes a blind pass into the center of the Jets zone. The Jets take it down the ice. The second break-up in play is because Malkin over passes to Horny coming up the right side, the Jets defenseman steps up and clears the zone. Letang is then not on the ice for the rest of the power play. Erhroff is.

 

[Fordy]

Malkin had just as many flubs in the Jets game. The entire first power play was basically him flubbing passes and ****. The fact is all three of Malkin, Crosby and Letang make terribly stupid plays on the power play which often lead to the puck going the other way. Letang is one of the few defensemen we have that has the speed to get back and help make up for those mistakes.

I just watched the first power play. The first break-up in play is because Crosby makes a blind pass into the center of the Jets zone. The Jets take it down the ice. The second break-up in play is because Malkin over passes to Horny coming up the right side, the Jets defenseman steps up and clears the zone. Letang is then not on the ice for the rest of the power play. Erhroff is.

woah, you watched the first powerplay? you probably got the whole story then, no need to keep watching

this is probably going to be pointless but: WHY are crosby and malkin over passing? you can figure it out

 

[Jesus Vitale]

I find it kinda funny that even though the Penguins won, it sorta felt like they lost. gave up 3 goals, including a 2 goal lead. Malkin lost his point streak, MAF his shutout streak and a lot of rough play.

hopefully it was just one of those wacky Jets/Pens games and they'll resume totally kicking azz next game.

 

[aqsw]

I keep seeing this clamor for toughness and I don't get it and I'll never get it. Toughness is fine if it's guys like Downie who back it up and have skill to go with it but we don't need goons and we don't need physical defensemen who can't pass or skate.

Our powerplay is the best deterrent for the **** the Jets pulled on us tonight. We didn't make them pay for how physical they were playing. Usually if a team tried to play us like the Jets did we would torch them for 2-3 powerplay goals.

Hate to say it but Downie didn't back anything up. He got himself kicked out of the game because he knew he couldn't go on the ice again.
Most entertaining game I've seen in quite a while. I'm glad we got a point against you guys though.

 

[Gurglesons]

woah, you watched the first powerplay? you probably got the whole story then, no need to keep watching

this is probably going to be pointless but: WHY are crosby and malkin over passing? you can figure it out

Because Crosby is notorious for the blind pass to the middle of the ice? I watched the entire game twice last night because I was working at the bar I manage when watching it the first time around. The amount of **** Letang gets on this forum for what he isn't responsible for is ridiculous. If your insinuating that Malkin and Crosby are over passing because of Letang, that is ridiculous, because in both cases Letang was the trailing man, and nowhere near the play when it was broken up.

 

[66-30-33]

I find it kinda funny that even though the Penguins won, it sorta felt like they lost. gave up 3 goals, including a 2 goal lead. Malkin lost his point streak, MAF his shutout streak and a lot of rough play.

hopefully it was just one of those wacky Jets/Pens games and they'll resume totally kicking azz next game.

Well, we are playing Buffalo next and from what i have seen we don't play down to the teams like we used to with Bylsma. When we play ****** teams i am confident we will win now unless their goalie plays godmode.

 

[HMPens]

Because Crosby is notorious for the blind pass to the middle of the ice? I watched the entire game twice last night because I was working at the bar I manage when watching it the first time around. The amount of **** Letang gets on this forum for what he isn't responsible for is ridiculous. If your insinuating that Malkin and Crosby are over passing because of Letang, that is ridiculous, because in both cases Letang was the trailing man, and nowhere near the play when it was broken up.

Great post. Could not agree more.

 

[Bjindaho]

Can someone explain to me why Despres hasn't seen the PP at all when he has more points than Martin and Ehrhoff and the two of them have exactly 1 more combined point on the PP than Despres in his 1:08 PP time vs Ehrmart's 37:29

 

[DoktorZaius]

Hate to say it but Downie didn't back anything up. He got himself kicked out of the game because he knew he couldn't go on the ice again.
Most entertaining game I've seen in quite a while. I'm glad we got a point against you guys though.

You don't know Steve Downie if you think this is a guy with foresight.

 

[Fordy]

Because Crosby is notorious for the blind pass to the middle of the ice? I watched the entire game twice last night because I was working at the bar I manage when watching it the first time around. The amount of **** Letang gets on this forum for what he isn't responsible for is ridiculous. If your insinuating that Malkin and Crosby are over passing because of Letang, that is ridiculous, because in both cases Letang was the trailing man, and nowhere near the play when it was broken up.

no, i'm saying that letang makes dumb decisions on the powerplay and teams know this, and can apply ridiculous pressure to everyone but letang on the pp and know it'll result in hurried overpassing. letang is not a threat to shoot or pass from the point on the pp, so he can be ignored, and the pp will fall apart. at no point last night did the pp look like it came in at 40%. it's best stretch came when as you pointed out ehrhoff ended up getting on instead of letang. and if you watched the game as much as you claimed to you'd have seen that.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Can someone explain to me why Despres hasn't seen the PP at all when he has more points than Martin and Ehrhoff and the two of them have exactly 1 more combined point on the PP than Despres in his 1:08 PP time vs Ehrmart's 37:29

1st. They have been going with 4 forwards limiting it to a single D-man at the blueline.
2nd. Letang, Ehrhoff, Martin, and Maatta are ahead of him.
3rd. He has all his points in three games 2,2,1. Just too small a sample size to use it as a reason he should be there over the others.
4th. I think they wanted him to work on his PP skills when he was at WBS, but it doesn't mean he's a specialist just yet. At least at the NHL level. He has lots of growing into his role with the Pens. He's showing great strides, no need to rush him into everything.