Usually it's determined by non fans of said player.
Players that don't seem interested in winning a Cup?
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Usually it's determined by non fans of said player.
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I prefer to value things afterwards, but it's a fact (Based on Danault interview) that Kings management had perfect timing and had multiple people to persuade him to join the group. Maybe there was some issues with MTL, but those things usually stay well hidden.
Lazlo Hollyfeld
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A player would be an idiot to do that given they have no say in how that cap space they're giving up would be used.
Imagine McDavid and Draisaitl taking huge discounts on their contracts, then find out what Kenny Holland does with all that space.
Owners are the ones who capped things.
TheDawnOfANewTage
Dahlin, it’ll all be fine
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A couple of ways- if they put location/family over playing for a contender. Ryan Miller did not seem overly interested in a cup after moving to Anaheim, and that’s fine. Also, if a player is marginal/on the downslope but signs with a bad team for more than max- depends on the situation, obviously, but Tatar might be an example. I also think it’s priority for a guy like MacKinnon, but dudes like Dougie G- he knows it’s still kinda a crapshoot but money is a sure thing. He hopes the devils get there in 7 years, but shoot, he’s set either way. So.. not as ridiculous question as it may seem. For some players it’s everything, for others it’d seem less aspirational.
I disagree about Tatar. He's 30, still close to his prime, and this could be his last good contract. The Devils are not a contender, but they are a team that's trending upwards. If they continue making progress, they could make the playoffs in both his years there. If not, he's gonna get shipped out before the 2022 deadline anyway, and get picked up by a better team. He's gonna be 32 when his contract expires, and still has time to chase cups after.
A better example imo is Kevin Shattenkirk. He's recently won the Stanley Cup, so from his perspective I understand why he chased the money over another chance to win. But if I'm Ducks GM Bob Murray, I would never have signed him to anything near that contract. The guy just won a cup, and now wants to play for Anaheim which is clearly gonna be a bottom team for his entire tenure there. Why? That's a question any good GM should ask themselves. In this case, dollars and nice weather? Murray should've seen the red flags from far away.
From Tatar's perspective, at least he's going to a team that's young and getting better, a team which signed Dougie Hamilton and Steve Bernier this offseason, and where he'll have a chance to play with Jack Hughes who should be ready to break out. And again, he probably gets traded to a more immediate contender in 18 months anyway.
Generally speaking, it makes little sense for players to turn down money in order to chase cups too early in their careers. With 32 teams in the league, the chances of winning are too small, no matter which team you sign with. Tatar is not early in his career, but if he so desires, he could sign three or four seperate one year deals with contenders after his current deal is up.
TheDawnOfANewTage
Dahlin, it’ll all be fine
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I get what you’re saying, but at the same time- it can go quickly for some guys, and you never know health-wise (though I hope Tatar plays till 40). If cup were priority I think there might be other offers available. He doesn’t really fit my original criteria in that he should have skills until 35 or so, but either way- those devils couldn’t have been his best chance. I also think he’d be a guy likely to have to take a steep pay cut for a contender, though, so- no blame cast.
