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That’s the issue. I like Mathews but would prefer points to points per game.Matthews....On pace...
That’s the issue. I like Mathews but would prefer points to points per game.Matthews....On pace...
Initially I wasn’t going to reply, but after looking at this thread for a whole of 30 seconds
Here you go, some proof of people with some high expectations of Matthews.
You can stop being a immature ******* demanding proof and support for non-controversial statements, simply to be an inconvenience.
That avatar of yours is hilarious. Is that Sarah Sanders?Matthews. I was hoping he wouldn't get injured
He’s above PPG?
That’s the issue. I like Mathews but would prefer points to points per game.
I don't know much about Turris playoff play, but Subban does turn it on for sure.I had not seen him play so much in the previous years post-Habs, but he was noticeable on his game vs. the Habs. In previous games, I felt he wasn't into it, for whatever reason.... like playing against your former team in the building where the fans used to really cheer for you. Some were crazy about him.
Turris, I remember his rough start in Phoenix, Arizona. Became a good 2 way player with the Sens. Possibly doesn't have the minutes due to Johansen being a great 2-way player as well. maybe 2 similar players.
Eh not the first or last player to have some injuries to start their career. No reason to assume he can't be like Barkov and be healthier as he grows. The important thing is what he does when he plays.
It seems stupid to be like "Yeah this guy is good but he missed 20 games so we'll say he isn't".
I think the thing with Matthews is when people start acting as if he's a 45 goal guy or a 90 point guy just because he paced for it, that's not really accurate since he never hit those totals. I think before a player can be talked about in such a way, they've actually got to achieve those totals first.
If someone wants to talk about Matthews as a point per game player, I have no issue with that. Some do since they're stuck on "82 points is point per game", but I'm fine with it. I just find the discussion about Matthews a bit questionable when people focus on "pace" and "per 60 minutes" to put him on the same level as players who've actually hit certain production levels he's never reached.
While normally I would agree with you, I think it's different for him because he already scored 40 goals as a rookie and this is his 3rd year. IMO there is a difference between some rookie coming in and putting up amazing stats over 60 games and people saying "omg he is amazing" and a guy with over 200 career games and the pace hasn't really changed.
I mean he got 40 as a rookie, 34 in 60 games last year, and 37 in 68 this year. Not exactly far fetched to assume he would be a 40+ goal scorer in any full season.
You are missing the point of those discussions. You just can't ignore all factors aside from points. It absolutely is relevant if Matthews gets less minutes both 5v5 and on the PP vs a lot of other big stars. That's all people are saying.
Usually when that comes up someone is claiming Matthews isn't even as good as player Y, but in reality Matthews is matching their production or around there either way and he is playing 3+ minutes less a game and sometimes 2-3min less on the PP on average.
And that's not his fault. Babcock is really heavy on short shifts and rolling lines.
Who is beau?Beau....coming off back to back 20+ goal seasons, I thought he would put up 50-60 pts . He was very inconsistent again.
JHS...during an early season call up he was taking a K.I.S.S. approach and drawing Trotz praise for his D. He was not as dynamic offensively, but that was not surprising with his attempt to limit turnovers.
Demoted after Trotz said his bad habits started creeping back into his game. Been Bridgeport since then.
Eberle....tbrived in Weight's wide open system. Struggled in Trotz's system. Finished with 35 or so pts.
Clayton Keller.
Talking about sophomore slumps...
auston matthews worst +/- on his team
Matthews was widely touted as a top-10 player in the NHL going into this season and was frequently tagged with the “generational” label by his fan base. After his hot start, it was beginning to look like his fan base was right about him. The expectations grew...
Then, his performance pretty much fell off a cliff. In the calendar year of 2019, he scored 38 points in 43 games, and posted a -18 rating. If you set the cut-off date at just the moment he signed his contract, he scored 27 points in 30 games and posted a -12 rating.
Even in the statistics which his fan base uses to pump his tires, he didn’t do all that well. He finished 15th in even strength points per 60, behind players like Max Domi and Tomas Hertl. He finished 20th in points per game, behind players like Jonathan Huberdeau and Brayden Point.
He actually finished the season on pace for 88 points. Given his performance in the first 7 games of the season, and the expectations set by his fanbase and the Canadian media, I would say that is a thoroughly underwhelming performance.
Anthony Beauvillier.Who is beau?
It's strange to me that you have Matthews listed seeing as he had 37 goals 73 points in just 68 games
Laine for sure
Barzal
Matthews has to be pretty amazing. On pace for 45 goals and 90+ points.
I love how Svechnikov scoring 20 as an 18 year old rookie is considered great for someone so young but Laine scoring 36 at the exact same age was disappointing?
I don't think your math is right. I heard a conversation on the radio yesterday about how Matthews, even if healthy, wouldn't have eclipsed ninety points.
Barzal?
I thought he had a better season this year than last year. He improved considerably defensively and became a more well rounded player. I don't think Barry Trotz would trade this years version of Barzal for last years.
"His defensive game though"
"Any coach/GM would take A over B"
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