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You didn't answer my question in that post. Was Brian Dumoulin a valuable player for the Penguins from 2015 to 2018? Were Lovejoy and Cole valuable players for the Penguins in 2015-2016? What is the cutoff for being "valuable" to a team? Why is a guy who's good defensively and putting up 15-18 points "valuable" but a guy who's good defensively while putting up 10 points not valuable?
You're saying "they're not comparable offensively" because you're including the 1 season Dumoulin has had above 20 points. From 2015-2018, Dumoulin had 16 points in 79 games, 15 points in 70 games and 18 points in 80 games. Was Dumoulin valuable in those 3 years? And if he was, why is a difference of 5-8 points for defensive defensemen the difference between being valuable or not? You either think that all of Lovejoy, Cole and Dumoulin weren't valuable to the 2016 team or you're just applying arbitrary standards to prop up Schultz, those are your two options.
The point here is that it's stupid to judge defensive defensemen based on points, and you're being insanely disingenuous to act like Gudbranson is going to be replacing Schultz.
Yes. And he was still scoring nearly twice as much as Gudbranson while functioning as a steadying influence for his partner for years, unlike Guds, who has played 20 good games while being babysat by another defenseman.
That's why one has value at 4 mil and the other doesn't. That's why allocating 4 mil to a bottom pair defenseman who hasn't been good at either end rather than 6 mil to a defenseman who's been at least as good at one end and far, far better at the other would be a mistake.