Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread: Now less Horny. (GMJR is still a moron)

[Speaking Moistly]

This is a weird f***ing place tonight.

When isn’t it weird?

We should target Virtanen if he and McCann cann get along.

Lbr, Sullivan would probably hate him if he hasn’t matured.

 

[The Old Master]

I thought they were still working the deal out regardless of that, also, why would Hornqvist’s contract not be insured?

the insurance thing just doesn't sound right. something else is up. ....

 

[ColePens]

Let's please try to be kind in this thread

 

[KIRK]

Let's please try to be kind in this thread

Speaking of being kind, TMZ is reporting that you tracked down good ol' JR to dissuade him from any further talk involving Patric Hornqvist. They claim this is the video of the end of your conversation . . .

 

[66-30-33]

Can he cross the border without a library card?

Need to check into these things. Dont want this to happen again.

I don't trust JR in reading the rules.

 

[KIRK]

I don't trust JR in reading the rules.

You had me at 'I don't trust JR'.

 

[Zirakzigil]

You had me at 'I don't trust JR'.

He cant hear you, he went to bed hours ago using his championship rings are earplugs.

 

[Andy99]

Ranking the Penguins' trade bait, from Bryan Rust to Jack Johnson

what does this say for those you with access? Thanks

 

[Andy99]

 

[Andy99]

lol...

 

[Gurglesons]

Ranking the Penguins' trade bait, from Bryan Rust to Jack Johnson

what does this say for those you with access? Thanks

Rust -> Pageau
Letang -> PK Subban to the Deivls
McCann -> Coleman
Matt Murray -> Robin Lehner to VGK or Bishop to Stars
Pettersson -> Maatta
Hornqvist -> Lucic to the Flames / Backes to Bruins
JJ-> None

Sorry if you didn't want to be depressed.

 

[Andy99]

Rust -> Pageau
Letang -> PK Subban to the Deivls
McCann -> Coleman
Matt Murray -> Robin Lehner to VGK or Bishop to Stars
Pettersson -> Maatta
Hornqvist -> Lucic to the Flames / Backes to Bruins
JJ-> None

Sorry if you didn't want to be depressed.

I’m not sure I agree with McCann and Murray’s value but whatever, it’s weird....thanks

 

[Empoleon8771]

Rust -> Pageau
Letang -> PK Subban to the Deivls
McCann -> Coleman
Matt Murray -> Robin Lehner to VGK or Bishop to Stars
Pettersson -> Maatta
Hornqvist -> Lucic to the Flames / Backes to Bruins
JJ-> None

Sorry if you didn't want to be depressed.

And yet people think that Hornqvist for Matheson is selling low on Hornqvist

One comment I'll make, comparing a Murray trade to Bishop to Dallas doesn't make sense. Bishop's UFA rights were traded to Dallas. I can see the Lehner trade being a decent baseline for what Murray would bring back (replacement goalie, prospect and a 2nd), but the Bishop trade doesn't make sense as a comparison.

If the writer meant Bishop to LA, I'd agree with that more. That was basically Cernak and Budaj for a rental Bishop, which seems comparable in value to what Lehner got back.

 

[Gurglesons]

And yet people think that Hornqvist for Matheson is selling low on Hornqvist

One comment I'll make, comparing a Murray trade to Bishop to Dallas doesn't make sense. Bishop's UFA rights were traded to Dallas. I can see the Lehner trade being a decent baseline for what Murray would bring back (replacement goalie, prospect and a 2nd), but the Bishop trade doesn't make sense as a comparison.

They argue that cap constraints and the fact Murray has effectively been replaced is why that value could be so low. I don't agree either.

 

[Empoleon8771]

They argue that cap constraints and the fact Murray has effectively been replaced is why that value could be so low. I don't agree either.

Yeah, I think that's just a bad take. The cap constraints is one thing, but Murray "effectively being replaced" is totally irrelevant here. You see expendable players dumped for value all of the time. Hell, Maatta last off-season was traded for Kahun and he was a healthy scratch for the Penguins in the playoffs last year.

I think comparing it to Bishop to Dallas just doesn't make sense. Now, if the writer meant Bishop to LA, which was basically Budaj and Cernak for Bishop, I think that's a fair comparison. But comparing Murray's RFA rights to Bishop's UFA rights is pretty far off.

 

[Kristopher Letang]

Rust -> Pageau
Letang -> PK Subban to the Deivls
McCann -> Coleman
Matt Murray -> Robin Lehner to VGK or Bishop to Stars
Pettersson -> Maatta
Hornqvist -> Lucic to the Flames / Backes to Bruins
JJ-> None

Sorry if you didn't want to be depressed.

I can’t wait to watch Sid’s daily vlogs! Yay!

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, I think that's just a bad take. The cap constraints is one thing, but Murray "effectively being replaced" is totally irrelevant here. You see expendable players dumped for value all of the time. Hell, Maatta last off-season was traded for Kahun and he was a healthy scratch for the Penguins in the playoffs last year.

I think comparing it to Bishop to Dallas just doesn't make sense. Now, if the writer meant Bishop to LA, which was basically Budaj and Cernak for Bishop, I think that's a fair comparison. But comparing Murray's RFA rights to Bishop's UFA rights is pretty far off.

The argument was that if Lehner deal was available they would have pulled the trigger already.

It's Gentille so it isn't like this isn't just a fluff piece. I like Gentille as a writer, but definitely the least connected and more of a Wysh than a beat writer.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The argument was that if Lehner deal was available they would have pulled the trigger already.

Which is also a nonsensical argument

That's the kind of argument that fans on HFBoards use. Considering the rumored ask JR had from Edmonton was a mid 1st round pick, why does anyone think that JR would jump at a 2nd and a prospect this early? Accepting that at the draft is one thing, but JR doesn't really get much of a benefit by taking that right now.

 

[Gurglesons]

Which is also a nonsensical argument

That's the kind of argument that fans on HFBoards use. Considering the rumored ask JR had from Edmonton was a mid 1st round pick, why does anyone think that JR would jump at a 2nd and a prospect this early? Accepting that at the draft is one thing, but JR doesn't really get much of a benefit by taking that right now.

I guess. I don't know. I think Murray would have been moved now if we could get a couple 2nds for him.

 

[pistolpete11]

Writer makes a point I agree with : at all you idiots who don't agree

Same writer makes a point I disagree with : Well, that's just a bad take.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Writer makes a point I agree with : at all you idiots who don't agree

Same writer makes a point I disagree with : Well, that's just a bad take.

I was making a joke that Hornqvist for Matheson is better than what Lucic and Backes went for. I think comparing Hornqvist to Lucic or Backes is also bad. Matheson for Hornqvist is bad for Hornqvist, but the Lucic or Backes deals would be an entire level worse than Matheson for Hornqvist.

But I think Gentile's valuation is more on the pessimistic side. Is he "wrong"? Impossible to say, but it would definitely seem like bad situations for that to be true.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I guess. I don't know. I think Murray would have been moved now if we could get a couple 2nds for him.

My guess is that JR has some okay offers for Murray probably in the range of a 2nd or a 2nd and a prospect, but he's holding out for a 1st or 2 high 2nds. There's no need to make a trade before the draft, so if he thinks he can get the Avs 1st from the Avs, the Islanders 1st from the Senators or Ottawa's 2nd and a late 2nd from the Senators, why not wait?

I think that's just a massive logical jump to make and it seems to be a really pessimistic interpretation of the current situation.

 

[Malkinstheman]

Yohe also tweeted that trading Hagelin ripped apart the locker room. Shoddy sources but thats pretty crazy.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yohe also tweeted that trading Hagelin ripped apart the locker room. Shoddy sources but thats pretty crazy.

Madden may be an ass but I actually think he's right here.

 

[KIRK]

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