Salary Cap: Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread: Cole's House of Pain

[Andy99]

If the Pens want to make a run late in G/Sid's career.. they need ELC performing players. You can't trade them all. We need ELC performing players.

that was essentially what I was getting at.....younger, cheaper players..not an established top player on the back end of his career who we’re paying $10+ mil for 7 years...

 

[Rakell67]

that was essentially what I was getting at.....younger, cheaper players..not an established top player on the back end of his career who we’re paying $10+ mil for 7 years...

I’d be down for Mackinnon.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

it depends...If you want an impact player here for 6-7 years, then yeah, you want a younger player...those 28 year old players like Barkov will still want a 7 year deal...and they could get it from younger teams looking for an impact vet...Pens will be in a different position than those teams...should they be signing that player through his age 35 season? I dunno...

If the Pens want to be a contender as their core players enter their mid-late 30s, they will.

A 27-28 year old impact UFA is about the best possible scenario for a team that wants to stay competitive but has an empty cupboard in terms of valuable young futures.

 

[Tom Hanks]

that was essentially what I was getting at.....younger, cheaper players..not an established top player on the back end of his career who we’re paying $10+ mil for 7 years...

You can do both if you move out/on from overpaid low - middle tier players

 

[K Fleur]

You can do both if you move out/on from overpaid low - middle tier players

You have to really identify which of those players are important to keep though too. Which is why we are in like year 3 of our 3C hunt

 

[chethejet]

If the team doesn't win and compete for a cup and say another first round playoff loss, then a change in things has to be done. Pens don't need a total rebuild here but what they do need is to continue to stock the system with better talent and percentages of young players coming through. GMJR has done a decent job of adding young talent to the mix but much more is needed. The D with Marino, POJ, Matheson, for now Petts all are 25 and under and have upside. But the key is getting the center position better in prospects and how that is done is just uncertain. Don't see a tank here so whoever is in management that has to be the priority.

 

[pistolpete11]

it depends...If you want an impact player here for 6-7 years, then yeah, you want a younger player...those 28 year old players like Barkov will still want a 7 year deal...and they could get it from younger teams looking for an impact vet...Pens will be in a different position than those teams...should they be signing that player through his age 35 season? I dunno...

Assuming they can afford him and still fill out a competitive roster, what's the downside? He helps maximize the last few years of Crosby-Malkin and then either is the early-to-mid 30's veteran leader after they are gone or they burn it all down and trade everyone they can at which point, that guy would probably want out anyway.

 

[Tom Hanks]

You have to really identify which of those players are important to keep though too. Which is why we are in like year 3 of our 3C hunt

For sure. You have to be a good GM to make it work.

 

[Ugene Magic]

You have to really identify which of those players are important to keep though too. Which is why we are in like year 3 of our 3C hunt

Really, it comes down to paying for your most essential positions, and considering the Pens not drafting high on centers is a big reason for that.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

that was essentially what I was getting at.....younger, cheaper players..not an established top player on the back end of his career who we’re paying $10+ mil for 7 years...

You don't get those players without assets...assets that we don't have unless we sell off our core players.

At which point we would need to replace those core players...via UFA.

 

[PensandCaps]

You coulda got a Jarnkrok like 3C for 1million $ in Soderberg or Haula. why would you trade your best prospect for one when you passed on as good options who didn't cost much

 

[Tom Hanks]

You coulda got a Jarnkrok like 3C for 1million $ in Soderberg or Haula. why would you trade your best prospect for one when you passed on as good options who didn't cost much

The Haula you think you’ll get

The Haula you’ll actually get

 

[Peat]

that was essentially what I was getting at.....younger, cheaper players..not an established top player on the back end of his career who we’re paying $10+ mil for 7 years...

This isn't an either or. If anything, having another top end player forces us into younger cheaper players more, because it means we can't stock up on hockey's middle class. And if you're thinking a guy like Laine as younger and cheaper rather than guys like 15-16 Rust et al, then you've got to look at the fact he's a last year RFA with arbitration rights, and look at Marner's contract, and ask how long he'd actually stay cheap.

Throw in the assets needed to acquire such a guy vs free agency - which will consist of the young and hungry - and it's pretty dubious as to which is preferable if they're both options. Which, given our lack of premium trade assets, probably isn't the case.

 

[Ugene Magic]

New thread up..

 

[PensandCaps]

The Haula you think you’ll get

The Haula you’ll actually get

I mean hes no world beater. Neither is Jarnkrok.

Soda is better than both

 

[Tom Hanks]

I mean hes no world beater. Neither is Jarnkrok.

Soda is better than both

Haula is a decent player but he may fall apart which doesn’t help us. Soderberg I would have been interested in but Chicago is a much better spot for him. He’ll get better minutes and more favourable starts then he would here.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Haula is a decent player but he may fall apart which doesn’t help us. Soderberg I would have been interested in but Chicago is a much better spot for him. He’ll get better minutes and more favourable starts then he would here.

That's what people don't get, Soderberg will get stable minutes and usage. He'd never get that here.

I would have wanted a winger anyway. I was fine with Canner and Blue as the Cs if that's the route they wanted to go.

 

[Tom Hanks]

That's what people don't get, Soderberg will get stable minutes and usage. He'd never get that here.

I would have wanted a winger anyway. I was fine with Canner and Blue as the Cs if that's the route they wanted to go.

Yeah especially with Dach out a while.

Yeah we lack a better right winger in the bottom 6. One that can move up the lines for injury as well. We've got McCann for that on the left side.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Yeah especially with Dach out a while.

Yeah we lack a better right winger in the bottom 6. One that can move up the lines for injury as well. We've got McCann for that on the left side.

Toews is still out as well yeah?

So their C depth might be Strome and Soderberg in the top 6 unless they move Kane to C.

 

[Tom Hanks]

Toews is still out as well yeah?

So their C depth might be Strome and Soderberg in the top 6 unless they move Kane to C.

Toews is out indefinitely. So Soderberg could actually be their #1C but he's definitely in the top 6 to start

 

[KIRK]

If the Pens want to make a run late in G/Sid's career.. they need ELC performing players. You can't trade them all. We need ELC performing players.

Not just from a cap perspective, but also because IMHO the energy and enthusiasm you get sprinkling a couple of impact young players into the lineup can be infectious.

 

[KIRK]

You coulda got a Jarnkrok like 3C for 1million $ in Soderberg or Haula. why would you trade your best prospect for one when you passed on as good options who didn't cost much

WOULDA, COULDA, SHOULDA is a good summary for JR's cap management and free agency work over the last three and a half years.