Proposal: PIT-MTL-TOR

[drede]

*EDIT Forgot the Habs are already retaining on 2 salaries so moved the 3rd -> Toronto and removed the 75% -> 50% for Guentzel

I know some Leafs fans think the move is to just let this be a 'play it out' year and not an all-in year but given how weak the East seems this year why not make a big push. With rumors Guentzel only wants 8-9m, the Leafs could probably find a way to make it work (why not have 50% of your salary be your top 6?) and bring him back + Savard has another year left on his deal.

PIT:
Cowan
TOR 2024 1st

TOR:
Guentzel (50% retained)
Savard (50% retained)
Pens 2025 3rd

MTL:
Minten
Leafs cap dump of choice

Leafs shore up defensively with Savard and add a legit LW to play on their top line

Pens add a great prospect in Cowan and a (hopefully for Leafs fans) late 1st for a pending UFA

Habs eat a lot of money and make a rival better but Minten would give them the freedom to move Beck (or Minten again) as part of a bigger package at the draft.

With Tanev off the board, Savard is probably the best fit for the Leafs. I understand cap is going to be an issue but with LTIR stuff, retaining, and one contract going out I think the Leafs could fit both.

Who says no?

Leafs say hell no they give up there best 2 prospects for a rental and bottom pair d

 

[Captain Mountain]

Honestly, all of these teams say no.

-Toronto is giving up way too much for what they're getting in return
-Pittsburgh isn't going to rebuild and they can probably get a return that fits their goals better that doesn't require that kind of salary retention
-Minten frankly doesn't justify the move for Montreal

Feels like a proposal intended to rile up fanbases more than anything.

 

[drede]

Leafs do it.

Not a chance lol

 

[Empoleon8771]

with who guentzel was playing ? with a generationnal player in Crosby all his carreer. do you think hyman would be a 40 goal scorer without a generstionnal player like mcdavid? Pittsburgh didn't won because of guentzel. Guentzel was not even in top 5 of pittsburgh player when they won his only cup. pittsburgh also won it the year before guentzel jump in the league. so please dont tell me pittsburgh won it because of guentzel...


last 5 year 5 goal 16 pts in 20 gm

lindholm 7 goal 15 pts in 22 game.

You're just proving you're clueless and don't know a thing about what you're saying.

 

[66-30-33]

You're just proving you're clueless and don't know a thing about what you're saying.

We definatly lose game 1 against Preds if not for Jake scoring on that 1st shot in a LONG time.

 

[thusk]

Guentzel was largely in the top 6 during the Cup run and if I'm not mistaken, set the record for rookie goals in a playoff or came close or something. So yeah, he was a big part of the team in the 17 Cup run.

Guentzel is likely going to a team with an elite center anyway so this "but muh Crosby!" stuff in non-sense anyway. Fans can say that all they want but it's not going to affect a GM's opinion because they will look at 7 solid seasons of production in the RS AND playoffs.

You're just proving you're clueless and don't know a thing about what you're saying.

pittsburgh won it because

crosby had been fantastic
because malkin had been fantastic
kessel driving himself 3rd line
fleury stole washington serie
Murray had been fantastic for rest of playoff

yes guentzel had a big impact but he was not the guy who carrying the team. He was the guy who complete crosby line.

but he still a pretty good top 6 winger but winger rarely bring an elite prospect and a 1st pick. Stone in a sign and trade didn't get as much and for me no doubt hes a more complete player than guentzel

 

[SEALBound]

pittsburgh won it because

crosby had been fantastic
because malkin had been fantastic
kessel driving himself 3rd line
fleury stole washington serie
Murray had been fantastic for rest of playoff

yes guentzel had a big impact but he was not the guy who carrying the team. He was the guy who complete crosby line.

but he still a pretty good top 6 winger but winger rarely bring an elite prospect and a 1st pick. Stone in a sign and trade didn't get as much and for me no doubt hes a more complete player than guentzel

He was 4th in scoring behind Malkin, Sid, and Phil (who he trailed by two points. And BTW, Kessel was on the SECOND like with Malkin the entire playoffs) and was first in goals by three. What in the good god damn f*** are you talking about?

I mean this is the most polite and courteous way possible but...don't f***ing lecture Penguins fans about the importance (or non-importance) of Guentzel in the 2017 Cup run. We watched every f***ing game. I highly doubt you did.

 

[66-30-33]

He was 4th in scoring behind Malkin, Sid, and Phil (who he trailed by two points. And BTW, Kessel was on the SECOND like with Malkin the entire playoffs) and was first in goals by three. What in the good god damn f*** are you talking about?

I mean, this is the most polite and courteous way possible but...don't f***ing lecture Penguins fans about the importance (or non-importance) of Guentzel in the 2017 Cup run. We watched every f***ing game. I highly doubt you did.

Something something Dubas.

 

[Strangle]

*EDIT Forgot the Habs are already retaining on 2 salaries so moved the 3rd -> Toronto and removed the 75% -> 50% for Guentzel

I know some Leafs fans think the move is to just let this be a 'play it out' year and not an all-in year but given how weak the East seems this year why not make a big push. With rumors Guentzel only wants 8-9m, the Leafs could probably find a way to make it work (why not have 50% of your salary be your top 6?) and bring him back + Savard has another year left on his deal.

PIT:
Cowan
TOR 2024 1st

TOR:
Guentzel (50% retained)
Savard (50% retained)
Pens 2025 3rd

MTL:
Minten
Leafs cap dump of choice

Leafs shore up defensively with Savard and add a legit LW to play on their top line

Pens add a great prospect in Cowan and a (hopefully for Leafs fans) late 1st for a pending UFA

Habs eat a lot of money and make a rival better but Minten would give them the freedom to move Beck (or Minten again) as part of a bigger package at the draft.

With Tanev off the board, Savard is probably the best fit for the Leafs. I understand cap is going to be an issue but with LTIR stuff, retaining, and one contract going out I think the Leafs could fit both.

Who says no?

Absolutely not. This is way too much to give up for the leafs

I’ll counter with Marner for Guentzel + pitts 1st

You heard it hear folks...1.76 PPG rate is mediocre stats

Anything under 2.0 per is trash stats and worth a late 2nd in a trade

 

[Strangle]

We better win the cup this year, otherwise we are even more f***ed

We have like 3-5 prospects of decent value, giving up 2 here + another first for a decent defencemen, but not a guy we should target if our mindset is to give up this many asset, and a pure rental who we cannot sign unless he thinks he’s worth under 5 million

In terms of players, I’d love to add guentzel and savard, they couple fit seamlessly into the 1LW with Matthews and Marner and 1RD with Rielly, but I think it’s too much of a gamble for 1 year. We blew our load last year and got 11 games, much rather try to make long term moves that can improve the team for more than one year

in terms of pure value, I think pens get around decent value, maybe a minor pick added

Montreal gets minten, which depends on how they value him could be a bit low, but idk what the cap dump would be, as we don’t really have a traditional cap dump, either you are overpaid a bit, or you rest on LTIR

This, exactly

The Leafs shouldn’t gut their assets this year. They added bertuzzi and Domi to help in the playoffs, and this team needs to prove they are worthy of getting help at all.

Leafs are going to need players like Minten and Cowan to develop and slot into the lineup on ELC’s and they REALLY need to keep picking. Can find defensmen in the 1st or 2nd rounds of the draft.

If the Leafs make a trade, it should be a hockey trade. Not a first and both of your top prospects. That’s crazy

Replace guentzel for Crosby and maybe we can have this conversation at least, but no deadline rental for 3 top assets in your system.

That’s f***ing nuts

 

[thusk]

He was 4th in scoring behind Malkin, Sid, and Phil (who he trailed by two points. And BTW, Kessel was on the SECOND like with Malkin the entire playoffs) and was first in goals by three. What in the good god damn f*** are you talking about?

I mean this is the most polite and courteous way possible but...don't f***ing lecture Penguins fans about the importance (or non-importance) of Guentzel in the 2017 Cup run. We watched every f***ing game. I highly doubt you did.

continu to hope a premium prospect and 1st when winger like stone or hall ( like 1 second and half after his hart trophy) didn't...

the last winger i remembered who bring a value as high is martin st louis in 2014

good luck if your hoping to get the same kind of value for guentzel than what it was the case with a superstar like st-louis

 

[T_Cage]

This trade isn't just throwing all your eggs in one basket for the leafs, it's throwing in the eggs, the basket, and the chicken coop

 

[mouser]

*EDIT Forgot the Habs are already retaining on 2 salaries so moved the 3rd -> Toronto and removed the 75% -> 50% for Guentzel

Then there’s no longer any reason to make this a three team proposal.

 

[CanadienShark]

Not a chance lol

Well it's disgustingly bad for the two other teams and makes Toronto much better at a minimal cost. OK though, the general sentiment is that this deal sucks.

 

[Mitch nylander]

Well it's disgustingly bad for the two other teams and makes Toronto much better at a minimal cost. OK though, the general sentiment is that this deal sucks.

Not really a minimal cost, this is more than we spent on ROR, Acciari and Schenn

 

[CanadienShark]

Not really a minimal cost, this is more than we spent on ROR, Acciari and Schenn

Guentzel is a complete different level than the latter two. That's not up for debate. I think he's better than ROR relatively speaking, given the point in their careers and recent* history. It's not a significant cost to Toronto in my view. And every year, the market changes. It's hard to compare apples to apples.

* At the time of trade

 

[Mersss]

Habs arent taking a cap dump for an AHLer player
Minten is bae and have have easilly 5-6 better offe sive prospects than yim already

 

[Kraken Jokes]

Would much rather focus on Seattle, hope they lose a few more games here, and try to get Larsson or Borgen.

Not happening. Seattle's not giving up the only RD they have for next year.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

You have PIT giving up the same pick to two different teams. Hard no from the Pens. We can do better I think.

Leafs would have to add another good young asset. Knies maybe.

I really hope this was satire.

 

[Brobust]

Can't wait to see the Guentzel return.

 

[Ryder71]

Can't wait to see the Guentzel return.

I anxiously await it, believe me!

I really hope this was satire.

That post was what four days ago? Can't even remember the context at this point. Next time respond shortly after said post.

 

[Jerkbait]

*EDIT Forgot the Habs are already retaining on 2 salaries so moved the 3rd -> Toronto and removed the 75% -> 50% for Guentzel

I know some Leafs fans think the move is to just let this be a 'play it out' year and not an all-in year but given how weak the East seems this year why not make a big push. With rumors Guentzel only wants 8-9m, the Leafs could probably find a way to make it work (why not have 50% of your salary be your top 6?) and bring him back + Savard has another year left on his deal.

PIT:
Cowan
TOR 2024 1st

TOR:
Guentzel (50% retained)
Savard (50% retained)
Pens 2025 3rd

MTL:
Minten
Leafs cap dump of choice

Leafs shore up defensively with Savard and add a legit LW to play on their top line

Pens add a great prospect in Cowan and a (hopefully for Leafs fans) late 1st for a pending UFA

Habs eat a lot of money and make a rival better but Minten would give them the freedom to move Beck (or Minten again) as part of a bigger package at the draft.

With Tanev off the board, Savard is probably the best fit for the Leafs. I understand cap is going to be an issue but with LTIR stuff, retaining, and one contract going out I think the Leafs could fit both.

Who says no?

Pens decline. Not enough for Jake. Remove the pens 3rd and send back a 3rd and its better

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

He was 4th in scoring behind Malkin, Sid, and Phil (who he trailed by two points. And BTW, Kessel was on the SECOND like with Malkin the entire playoffs) and was first in goals by three. What in the good god damn f*** are you talking about?

I mean this is the most polite and courteous way possible but...don't f***ing lecture Penguins fans about the importance (or non-importance) of Guentzel in the 2017 Cup run. We watched every f***ing game. I highly doubt you did.

Cowan and a 1st is still a great return. It may not fit the Penguins requirements though. Only Montreal loses in that trade (depending on who is supposed to be retaining).

 

[RC51]

to Toronto
S. Crosby 50% retained + 1st any year in the next 5 year
to Pens
A.Matthews 50% retained + 1st this year.

to MTL
a. Matthews from Pens 50% retained for 2x 1st any year from 2030 to 2035

to MTL s. Crosby from Leafs 50% retained for 2x 1st any year from 2035-2040.

I dont think Ryder Halak and a 2nd would do it this time
hahahahah

 

[Gaud]

Who the hell wants Mitten?

A one-armed man throwing snowballs