Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after

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http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2008/05/09/20080509gl-impact0510-ON.html

Still, the study found that just 5 percent of an estimated 123,500 out-of-town visitors stayed in Glendale and not yet enough retail and entertainment options existed to satisfy demand.

It made money for the Phoenix-metro area, that is a given. Glendale doesn't exactly have a booming hotel industry. So, as a city, it probably didn't net them much.

 

[JetFan4Ever]

When does the NFL announce whether Glendale will get the superbowl?

 

[Howler Scores]

When does the NFL announce whether Glendale will get the superbowl?

October I believe

 

[Killion]

Anyone know if anything of import was discussed at this evenings Council Meeting?.

 

[RR]

Anyone know if anything of import was discussed at this evenings Council Meeting?.

The meeting was this afternoon and it was a workshop. Anything regarding the Coyotes would have been discussed in Executive Session and not open to the public. Won't know if anything of import was discussed unless we get some news this week, or there is an agenda item on the Council's next open meeting.

 

[Dado]

found this on AZ central , anyone else remeber this newsletter or if we can get a copy posted here?

This is the closest I could find.

http://www.glendaleaz.com/Mayor/archivedspeeches_2005.cfm

 

[RR]

This is the closest I could find.

http://www.glendaleaz.com/Mayor/archivedspeeches_2005.cfm

Fixed link

 

[Roughneck]

It made money for the Phoenix-metro area, that is a given. Glendale doesn't exactly have a booming hotel industry. So, as a city, it probably didn't net them much.

That's part of the problem with using this as an event to help Glendale. It'd be one thing if it was all one municipal area using the same $, but Glendale is essentially paying to boost Phoenix's prestige. How many people going to these games and being part of the festivities would even know that Glendale is a separate city?

You land at the Phoenix International Airport to go to a game at the University of Phoenix Stadium which is next to the arena where the Phoenix Coyotes play and so on and so forth. Where's the game? "Phoenix."

 

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How many people going to these games and being part of the festivities would even know that Glendale is a separate city?

Is that really relevant? If I'm driving through LA or NY do I really care about the individual neighborhood names or 'cities' I might cross into? Not particularly. There are precious few who care about what name their municipality goes by, and they all live in Scottsdale. Phoenix is one large blob of urban sprawl. Cities matter very little.

Part of the reason why Glendale fought so hard on behalf of the other cities has to do with the fact that the state generates a lot of income through tourism. Any sort of money spent on hotel rooms, for example, gets taxed and kicked back to the AZ Sports & Tourism Authority. I believe that is part of the financing on the Cardinal's stadium. The hockey arena, on the other hand, has no such influx of cash because it doesn't draw national events like BCS or Superbowl games. At least, not enough to warrant an investment from the authority.

 

[TheLegend]

Let's see from reviewing the comments on the AZcentral site, it would appear that the Glendale city council are making "sound" financial decisions. Lost money hosting the super bowl, hired lawyers to fight the casino, lawyers to review the AZ gift clause, $25M to the NHL and $180M for an Arena. The city has laid off workers and are not investing in libraries; perhaps other infrastructure is not being attended to. If anything, I know how easy it is for politicians to bankrupt a county and from the looks of it, Glendale is shuffling the chairs on the Titanic!

I'm afraid you blew your argument up there with the first sentence.

 

[TheLegend]

It made money for the Phoenix-metro area, that is a given. Glendale doesn't exactly have a booming hotel industry. So, as a city, it probably didn't net them much.

FWIW.... two new hotels in the vicinity only opened a day or two before the previous game. Most of the high end resorts (where all the high end attendees who come to these events stay) are in Scottsdale. It's also safe to say that's where they stay when any big event is in the valley (except maybe NASCAR).

 

[RR]

Is that really relevant? If I'm driving through LA or NY do I really care about the individual neighborhood names or 'cities' I might cross into? Not particularly. There are precious few who care about what name their municipality goes by, and they all live in Scottsdale. Phoenix is one large blob of urban sprawl. Cities matter very little.

Part of the reason why Glendale fought so hard on behalf of the other cities has to do with the fact that the state generates a lot of income through tourism. Any sort of money spent on hotel rooms, for example, gets taxed and kicked back to the AZ Sports & Tourism Authority. I believe that is part of the financing on the Cardinal's stadium. The hockey arena, on the other hand, has no such influx of cash because it doesn't draw national events like BCS or Superbowl games. At least, not enough to warrant an investment from the authority.

You make an excellent point. I think when people try to take too much of a micro-economic view they miss out on the big picture.

Every tourism dollar generated specifically from folks in the greater Phoenix area for the Super Bowl (yes, even Scottsdale) went to Maricopa County businesses (regardless of cities); and generated tax revenues for those cities, the county and state.

It also helped all those businesses significantly drive new business into their establishments and positioned themselves for return business. Applies to Glendale businesses, too.

And, most certainly, as Glendale grows and continues to develop retail, hotel, and commercial property around the UOP Stadium, Jobing and Westgate, more of those dollars will stay in Glendale.

 

[CorbeauNoir]

Is that really relevant? If I'm driving through LA or NY do I really care about the individual neighborhood names or 'cities' I might cross into? Not particularly. There are precious few who care about what name their municipality goes by, and they all live in Scottsdale. Phoenix is one large blob of urban sprawl. Cities matter very little.

Bad example, places like Brooklyn and the Bronx carry an urban mystique about them that Glendale simply dosen't have.

 

[TheLegend]

That's part of the problem with using this as an event to help Glendale. It'd be one thing if it was all one municipal area using the same $, but Glendale is essentially paying to boost Phoenix's prestige. How many people going to these games and being part of the festivities would even know that Glendale is a separate city?

You land at the Phoenix International Airport to go to a game at the University of Phoenix Stadium which is next to the arena where the Phoenix Coyotes play and so on and so forth. Where's the game? "Phoenix."

1) It's actually known more as "Sky Harbor International" than "Phoenix International".

2) Glendale wasn't pleased about the stadium being named University of Phoenix but they didn't have a choice in that.

3) Phoenix International Raceway (NASCAR) is in the city of Goodyear (yes... named for the tire company) but they aren't complaining.

4) PGA events with the name "Phoenix" are played in Scottsdale. They haven't complained either.

5) And if the Coyotes end up staying they'll be known as the Arizona Coyotes. Only the Suns will be left with the "Phoenix" name.

 

[badinsults]

However, if the Coyotes were a large driver of revenue for other areas of Phoenix, how come they don't band together to help Glendale out in this situation?

If Glendale hosts the Super Bowl, but loses money as the money flows to other areas of Phoenix, how does that help Glendale? If they lost money hosting the Super Bowl, shouldn't they be asking the other regions of Phoenix to chip in the bill when they benefited?

You certainly don't see the other parts of Phoenix coming to the aid of Glendale here. Remember the mayor of Scottsdale criticizing Glendale for their tactics in keeping the Coyotes?

 

[TheLegend]

However, if the Coyotes were a large driver of revenue for other areas of Phoenix, how come they don't band together to help Glendale out in this situation?

If Glendale hosts the Super Bowl, but loses money as the money flows to other areas of Phoenix, how does that help Glendale? If they lost money hosting the Super Bowl, shouldn't they be asking the other regions of Phoenix to chip in the bill when they benefited?

You certainly don't see the other parts of Phoenix coming to the aid of Glendale here. Remember the mayor of Scottsdale criticizing Glendale for their tactics in keeping the Coyotes?

You won't see any city coming to the aid of another. Not when it comes to grabbing for sales and bed tax revenues.

The fight for getting the football stadium was nasty. So much so Glendale had actually withdrawn their proposal after the state authority changed the selection rules in order to give a downtown Phoenix site (that wasn't even in the original 12 proposals) one last chance because there were people in the state authority who wanted the stadium to be downtown by any means necessary. Eventually the chairman of the state authority had to go back to Glendale and plead with them to re-submit after they ended up with no site at all.

BTW... this all transpired during and after the hockey arena had been built.

The Mayor of Peoria has been vocally supportive of the proposed indian casino. Why? Because its city limits and a shopping center runs across the north side of the casino site and Peoria stands to benefit from it being there without having to spend a dime providing the infrastructure, while Glendale carries the brunt of it all.

 

[OthmarAmmann]

Fixed link

Sounds dire

 

[cbcwpg]

Wakes up, takes a look around, sees another day gone by with nothing happening, goes back to bed.

Maybe tommorrow?

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Wakes up, takes a look around, sees another day gone by with nothing happening, goes back to bed.

Maybe tommorrow?

Dreger? Is that you??

 

[mikelvl]

Dreger? Is that you??

If that were Dreger, it would be: wakes up, looks around, sees nothing new to report, remains optimistic about team staying in Glendale, goes back to bed.

 

[CBJ goalie]

If that were Dreger, it would be: wakes up, looks around, sees nothing new to report, remains optimistic about team staying in Glendale, goes back to bed.

I heard he takes his morning coffee with 2 teaspoons of imminence.

 

[davemac1313]

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2011/05/03/death-watch-that-wont-die

 

[Fugu]

The joke is on us. Here we've been repeating the "two weeks" mantra, but it's always been two years......

 

[Jet]

I'm really starting to believe the NHL is going to do the unthinkable and wait till the playoffs are over. I believe it would be a logistical nightmare, but with a deal being worked on behind the scenes with TNSE and the AHL saying they can wait until June, I think the league will wait till the last second in order to buy more time for a local option, and to not detract from the SCP (which I think I ******** anyways).

It puts alot of pressure on TNSE to sell tickets and secure sponsors, but I don't think that either will be too hard to do.

The people who really suffer is fans in Phoenix and Winnipeg who have to listen to the silence, with the odd wild rumour to speculate on here and there.

 

[cbcwpg]

Money spent by the CoG ( so far ) to get us to where we are today.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...-coyotes-bankruptcy-anniversary.html#comments

$2.65 million - Brown Rudnick, bankruptcy court representation.

$384,555 - Fennemore Craig, bankruptcy court representation and legal analysis.

$258,975* - SRJ Government Consultants, financial and bond consulting.

$214,421* - TL Hocking and Associates, economic-impact analysis.

$238,000* - Husk Partners, media relations and lobbying.

$144,570 - Greenberg Traurig, legal analysis.

$104,233 - Walker Parking Consultants, parking-revenue analysis.

$100,926 - Beacon Sports Capital Partners, financial assessment.

$98,809 - Rose Law Group, gift-clause legal review and liaison to Goldwater Institute.

$36,625 - CB Richard Ellis, economic-impact analysis.

$27,603 - Mintz Levin, gift-clause legal review.

$10,702- International Facilities Group, arena assessment.

$0 - JNA Consulting Group, bond consulting. Not billed yet.

Additional $25 million - Glendale on Monday paid the National Hockey League $25 million to cover a big chunk of the team's losses this season.


*SRJ Government Consultants, TL Hocking and Associates and Husk Partners work on a variety of issues for the city, though largely on the Phoenix Coyotes. The monthly retainer fee for SRJ is $8,000; for Husk, it ranged from $8,000 to $14,000; for TL Hocking, it ranged from $7,000 to $8,000.