Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?

[blues10]

Sure your going to fight this so not sure why I'm bothering but:
According to the Glendale Star:
http://www.glendalestar.com/news/headlines/article_1dc7f546-e11c-11df-a191-001cc4c002e0.html


Hulsizer, who has a net worth of nearly $300 million, according to ESPN.com

Well Hulsizer must be worth $300 million. Was it not espn.com that both Walker and Hocking used for Coyote attendance numbers for their parking projections. ESPN is the truth.

 

[Jet]

In addition to producing HNIC, he was also a VP of broadcasting for NHL. He is undoubtedly connected to people in the know at the NHL level.

Whoa I'm absolutely shocked that you would find John Shannon credible.

 

[AllByDesign]

It's a team, and they're in Winnipeg!

Please use the current logo... that old one is just intolerable...

That's better

Whoa I'm absolutely shocked that you would find John Shannon credible.

John Shannon may have some credentials, but has been the most wrong of any of the reporters commenting on this story. So much so, I want to take him to the race track... have him pick his 3 favorite horses to eliminate 1/4 of the starting gate.

 

[GSC2k2*]

Whoa I'm absolutely shocked that you would find John Shannon credible.

I suggest that, when you read my posts, you just stick to the words in there (where you will not find the word "credible").

 

[Coach]

No one has any idea whatsoever. Could be about a billion, too.

Iwas expecting that from you. Do you care to submit a link to back up the billion dollar estimate.

 

[GSC2k2*]

Iwas expecting that from you. Do you care to submit a link to back up the billion dollar estimate.

We've been over this. Yawn.

 

[headsigh]

John Shannon may have some credentials, but has been the most wrong of any of the reporters commenting on this story. So much so, I want to take him to the race track... have him pick his 3 favorite horses to eliminate 1/4 of the starting gate.

I just don't know about SHannon, he's just... not authentic to me.

Please use the current logo... that old one is just intolerable...

That's better

speaking of intolerable logos, does anyone in BC know what the deal with the kootenay ice is?

it looks more like a soda machine logo than a hockey crest.

 

[billy blaze]

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/RobertRobb/121634

columnist for Arizona Republic

If the parking rights were actually worth $100 million, Hulsizer wouldn’t need the city’s help. He could borrow directly against the future revenue stream or sell it to a private party for that amount.

But let’s, for the moment, suspend disbelief and assume that the parking rights are, indeed, worth $100 million. There is still an unconstitutional subsidy, rightly understood.

The city can borrow more cheaply than Hulsizer can. At its root, the city is doing something the anti-subsidy clause expressly prohibits – giving or lending its credit to a private party.

 

[CGG]

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/RobertRobb/121634

columnist for Arizona Republic

This has been posted before, but none of the raging Glendale / NHL supporters have dealt with it at all, leading me to believe the blogger is on to something here with the idea that the city is really doing nothing but assuming the risk and facilitating a lower interest rate, which of course would be a gift clause violation.

In addition to producing HNIC, he was also a VP of broadcasting for NHL. He is undoubtedly connected to people in the know at the NHL level.

And those connections lead him to report (probably more than once) that everything was great and the deal would close in 2 weeks. I'm not kidding. He was the guy who created the tale that Pegula in Buffalo and Hulsizer in Phoenix would both be announced as done at the same time.

 

[Killion]

...either it's collective delusion or a rubicon has been crossed...

Point of No Return, Gabriel Byrne or Barry Pepper version Dado?.

do you think maybe glendale or the nhl made up that story about how they might have buyers so that gwi will hurry up with their decision knowing they might have to file an injunction?

......leaking it to Disinformation Officer John Shannon?. Have you ever heard the term "Plausible Deniability Expert"?.

I want to take him to the race track... have him pick his 3 favorite horses to eliminate 1/4 of the starting gate.

Have you ever bet against a Plausible Deniability Expert ABD?. Shannon would likely pick & win a perfect trifecta on long odds & leave your head spinning. A conduit of inside information. A prevaricator & provocateur. Super conductor super conductor......

 

[cbcwpg]

Just a brief statement from LeBrun on the Hotstove

Where there is "cautious optimism" in Phoenix this week that there will be enough investors lined up to keep the team in Arizona, LeBrun said "don't worry Winnipeg, it's far from done."

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2011/03/12/sp-hnic-hotstove.html

When this is over someone has to come up with a list of the most common used phrases, like

imminent
2 weeks
etc.

 

[headsigh]

Just a brief statement from LeBrun on the Hotstove

Where there is "cautious optimism" in Phoenix this week that there will be enough investors lined up to keep the team in Arizona, LeBrun said "don't worry Winnipeg, it's far from done."

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2011/03/12/sp-hnic-hotstove.html

When this is over someone has to come up with a list of the most common used phrases, like

imminent
2 weeks
etc.

if i never hear the word imminent again it will be too soon

 

[Free Edler]

...either it's collective delusion or a rubicon has been crossed...

I'm betting on delusion.

 

[wpgJetsfan]

This news about Investors lined it is something I do not believe at all is happening. There has been so many debunked media reports lately that it's easy not to believe it.

Why now all of a sudden there is interest in the bonds and why now report it on a weekend and not during the week?

To be honest this is just a simple PR ploy to get butts in the seats at Jobbing.com arena because frankly their attendance hasn't been that great. Also they have that package which includes a playoff game. It's super cheap deal too.

So I just think the NHL doesn't want to lose more than 40 million this year and so have established a PR marketing strategy to give false hope in order to get people in the seats.

 

[TheLegend]

posted on a "Support Goldwater Institute , bring back the Jets" facebook page, his wife states she is a Penguin's fan as she originally hails from Pittsburgh

And plays mouthpiece for her husband to rally the troops.

 

[XX]

So I just think the NHL doesn't want to lose more than 40 million this year and so have established a PR marketing strategy to give false hope in order to get people in the seats.

That's not how professionals operate. Everything that points to the Coyotes leaving is tried and true, yet anything to the contrary is a vast conspiracy theory. Can we stop this?

 

[TheLegend]

Solution to Coyotes' attendance problems: have them play the Canucks 41 times a year.

Detroit's a better draw.

 

[GKJ]

Just last week LeBrun said 7-10 days. Now it might be 2 weeks. At this rate, I expect us to still be having these threads this time next year.

 

[Jeffrey93]

This news about Investors lined it is something I do not believe at all is happening. There has been so many debunked media reports lately that it's easy not to believe it.

Why now all of a sudden there is interest in the bonds and why now report it on a weekend and not during the week?

To be honest this is just a simple PR ploy to get butts in the seats at Jobbing.com arena because frankly their attendance hasn't been that great. Also they have that package which includes a playoff game. It's super cheap deal too.

So I just think the NHL doesn't want to lose more than 40 million this year and so have established a PR marketing strategy to give false hope in order to get people in the seats.

I'm starting to see how this works.

Action - Reaction
Discuss Coyotes leaving - Encouraged/Accepted

Discuss Coyotes staying - Theories of a secret conspiracy of misinformation

Discuss Winnipeg's flaws as a market - Get personally attacked and focus on personal motives

Pretty funny stuff.

Like I said before about this news of the bond market warming....even if it does...that doesn't suddenly change Arizona's constitution.

 

[TheLegend]

You do realize that is just a fun FB group set up by a Winnipegger, right? It's not asking for donations, and there are hardly any likes. It's just a little group just like any group you or I could make. Are you possibly confusing it with the actual Goldwater FB page?

Yeah... lots of "fun" comments there.

However.... it's one thing if a regular member of the group is posting items from the GWI site. It's entirely another when the chief litigator of GWI, (and/or his wife, or someone using his wife's account ), does it.

It smacks of pandering.

 

[Jeffrey93]

The mods had a much more evil plot. Lock GC, Crazy_Ike, Fidel and Jeffrey in a thread together.





Disclaimer: Yes, I love all you guys.

That'd be sweet. Can we call ourselves a 'Panel' though?

 

[RAgIn]

http://twitter.com/#!/JSportsnet

It will be interesting to see if anything transpires this week. But, Shannon has been right and wrong too frequently. Pick one. Ice Edge better not be his source.

 

[Killion]

....yet anything to the contrary is a vast conspiracy theory.

Well, it is Arizona XX. Whats the deal with the Bradshaw Ranch up in Sedona?. Since when did the US Forestry Services start surrounding their "Parks" with electric fences, motion sensor alarms & spycams?.

And just what exactly is going on in Glendale?. Why dont they just open the bomb bay doors and drop the Bonds?. The markets inching back upwards, and as soon as they do it the NHL wont be able to just up & take its leave without some very serious consequences. If Tindall & Fennemore etc are all so certain of the legality, file for clarification with bias & enforceable opinion. Stop playing footsie with the GWI & at least try for the conversion. Both sides are waging a war of disinformation, misinformation, opinion & conjecture, intimations & threats. Little wonder people trying to follow it are are going all Michael Moore or Oliver Stone over it.

 

[objectiveposter]

i cant wait for all this bs to finally be over one way or another..i feel like the president after a 4 year term...i have aged terribly.

 

[leoleo3535]

You've posted this a couple of times. If memory serves, you seem to think that the bondholders get their money back if MH then does not buy the team.

It that is what you are saying, that is not how it works.

Explain why it isn't.
Further to this one phone call will verify this for you.