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Looks to be about 13,000 or so for tonight against the Blackhawks.
For the Blackhawks???
As a Coyote fan, I am personally disgusted at this point.
Me too.
Looks to be about 13,000 or so for tonight against the Blackhawks.
As a Coyote fan, I am personally disgusted at this point.
This is going to be tricky, I think.
I really cant see them paying out another $25M after this season Whileee. The optics' alone would just be bad combined with the very real possibility of a GW challenge. They, along with either Reinsdorf or Jamison are going to have to do their due dilly & come up with a sampling of what other municipalities with similar sized facilities with an NHL franchise & what their Arena Management firms are being paid; find a happy land. Secondly, Glendales' got a municipal election next year and if Scruggs' either doesnt run or goes down to defeat (along with some of the Councilors) we could have yet another serious game changer, which absolutely means this has got to get done & fast.
I really cant see them paying out another $25M after this season Whileee. The optics' alone would just be bad combined with the very real possibility of a GW challenge. They, along with either Reinsdorf or Jamison are going to have to do their due dilly & come up with a sampling of what other municipalities with similar sized facilities with an NHL franchise & what their Arena Management firms are being paid; find a happy land. Secondly, Glendales' got a municipal election next year and if Scruggs' either doesnt run or goes down to defeat (along with some of the Councilors) we could have yet another serious game changer, which absolutely means this has got to get done & fast.
Maybe he'll see some boffo opportunity from a real estate perspective, but good grief, haven't we seen enough of the "real estate play with a hockey team thrown in ploy"???
...and on that note. The local Tea Party has their boy lined up.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2011/10/17/20111017glendale-walt-opaska-mayor-candidacy.html
...and on that note.
The local Tea Party has their boy lined up.
http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/2011/10/17/20111017glendale-walt-opaska-mayor-candidacy.html
He's got my vote !!!! He sounds like a good man.
"He said he would work to cut taxes, put more police officers on the streets and restore city services, such as library hours." instead of in the BoG pockets.
"I rikey. I rikey arot!!!!"
It is crazy that a city could give out huge handouts to an entity like the NHL but cut services without blinking an eye.
It is crazy that a city could give out huge handouts to an entity like the NHL but cut services without blinking an eye.
I agree. Children do not have a safe place to study after school so a handful of fans can have hockey. Shameful!!!
Now now... In all fairness, this hypothetical "kid" we are talking about could scrounge up enough change to buy a ticket to a Coyotes game, and have enough peace and quiet to do his homework at "The Job"
<I kid... I kid>
Interesting. Mayor Scruggs' has yet to announce her intentions. Opaskas a political neophyte, Intellectual Property Lawyer, probably a pretty smart guy, and based on his comments & Tea Party status vehemently opposed to anything remotely approaching a subsidy to the arena let alone the team. I see my favorite, Phil Lieberman, has a challenger as well.
I really cant see them paying out another $25M after this season Whileee. The optics' alone would just be bad combined with the very real possibility of a GW challenge. They, along with either Reinsdorf or Jamison are going to have to do their due dilly & come up with a sampling of what other municipalities with similar sized facilities with an NHL franchise & what their Arena Management firms are being paid; find a happy land.
I really cant see them paying out another $25M after this season Whileee. The optics' alone would just be bad combined with the very real possibility of a GW challenge. They, along with either Reinsdorf or Jamison are going to have to do their due dilly & come up with a sampling of what other municipalities with similar sized facilities with an NHL franchise & what their Arena Management firms are being paid; find a happy land. Secondly, Glendales' got a municipal election next year and if Scruggs' either doesnt run or goes down to defeat (along with some of the Councilors) we could have yet another serious game changer, which absolutely means this has got to get done & fast.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Killion, but I thought Glendale council approved up to 10 years of S25-million-flavoured ice-cream cones if the NHL wanted to eat them. Did I misread that, or did I get the council part right but miss out that it's the discretion of the City Manager and the NHL to renew? Please bring me up to speed.
My understanding (that I understand is not shared by many here) is that the 25MM subsidy is a year by year deal separate from the lease. The lease is renewable at the leagues discretion but the cash is separate.
Your understanding is absolutely correct. It's all public record so not sure how there can be any doubt:
- The subsidy is year to year; capped at $25MM; approved by vote of the Glendale City Council.
- The lease is an executed agreement which contains a provision that allows extension or transfer at the sole discretion of the NHL.
Thats correct. I think most understand that no?... called "Arena Management Fee".
Big difference between a "subsidy" and an "Arena Management Fee" Mungman...
I've seen the error several times (usually after it hasn't been discussed for awhile) where people assume that the 25MM is part of the lease agreement and if the league extends a year they're automatically getting 25MM, now with the current make-up of the CoG council that may not be far from the truth.
That sounds like a very generous estimate at 11,051. No way that many people actually showed up at the Job.
CNBC's Darren Rovell put up some tweets about attendance and linked some photos. I won't paste them here because that sort of thing seems to be frowned upon, but the implication was it was a very thin crowd. One of the photos shows a good chunk of the luxury boxes, which are completely empty. Not one person sitting in a box seat. Brutal.
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Finally, no, not doubling ticket prices, gradual increases of app. 7-10% per annum over 5yrs while simultaneously beefing up the sales department, many of its employees' having left over the past few years. Pretty short staffed. Follow leads as per Yormark in Florida with specialty fan & corporate zone packages etc. Presentation & naming rights to various intangibles. All kinds of room there in Phoenix as neither Moyes nor the league have done anything much with them. There is a sizeable chunk of change just sitting on the table in sponsorship dollars alone. Speed through transition will be key; if they can, capitalizing on the NBA's difficulties etc...
From the PHX Board (for some reason they don't like it when I post there (could it be my avatar???)):
You think they haven't done that? The NHL could supply them with that information (in basic outline if not in specific detail) in a matter of minutes.... The other thing which I think you are a bit out of touch with Killion is that very few NHL teams get paid to by the public entity owner of an arena to "manage" the arena for a municipality. You've really got this all backwards.
Oh?. I see. Im driving Southbound in the Northbound lanes on Maroons Road (again) am I?. Well, its a Hell a lot quicker to get where Im goin and just look at all of the nice folks gettin outta my way?...
There are numerous examples of municipalities not only building arenas' for sports franchises but so too retaining the services of the teams associative arena management firms. The COG should not be relying upon a 5 minute telephone conversation with the National Hockey League to "determine" what an appropriate fee might be. Seems they've already done that, twice. Though I appreciate & respect your opinions, navigational assistance, there is an awful lot more going on here than meets the eye, and despite your postulations to the opposite Sir, there are many things...
Mod note - no need to continue discussion on the low attendance/empty seats - suite, lower or upper bowl. For. Any. Game.
We've had this conversation before. Lots of folks refuse to pay one cent to league while they are owners.
Move along.
A lot are. Salaries are paid in USD. Revenues come in at the local currency. As we approach a 10% difference, US teams will have a competitive advantage.
With such a strong Canadian dollar there is added incentive to move the Coyotes back to Canada. Oops. 98.3 US Perhaps continued currency weakness will turn the current south once again.