Phoenix LXXXIII: "Stuff's Gonna Happen"

[Phil Parent]

"I understand that we had to leave a city like Quebec for economic reasons at a certain time. I think that you have to consider that these fans that had their team taken away because of a decision to move. If you went somewhere else and have a chance to come back, you have to keep it in mind." - Gary Bettman, March 2nd 2012, Toronto Sun.

We'll hold you to that Bettman.

 

[GreenHornet]

well, it sets up the next thread, "**** happens", quite nicely.

Maybe a better title would be, "S*** just got real"?

 

[Killion]

"If you went somewhere else and have a chance to come back, you have to keep it in mind." -
Gary Bettman

Yes. Thats a really Deep Thought Gary. Like,"if you ever crawled into an old hollow log in a park to take a nap and while your in there a couple of guys came along and seal up both ends, throw it onto a truck and drive to another city, well, Boy, I dont know what to tell you".
Jack Handey

 

[Free Edler]

Sometimes I think TSN is owned by the NHL.

Dreger is.

 

[epo]

Are they not watching the game?

 

[Donwood]

Are they not watching the game?

Bettman's plane was scheduled to leave shortly after the 2nd intermission but weather seems to have them staying for the night.

 

[GreenHornet]

"I think that you have to consider that these fans that had their team taken away because of a decision to move. If you went somewhere else and have a chance to come back, you have to keep it in mind." - Gary Bettman, March 2nd 2012, Toronto Sun.

We'll hold you to that Bettman.

We'll file that away here in Atlanta, as well (for the day A$G's evil reign of terror ends one day in the distant future).

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Color me shocked.... I was expecting this ordeal to end before the Hawks game tonight.

 

[Brodie]

They still get CBC...

yep

KING puts the games on KONG (which is not a digital subchannel, it's an independent station that shows syndicated shows and NBC programming that KING doesn't want like Meet the Press) because CBC cannibalizes their ratings to such a degree that local news does better.

 

[Pilky01]

After watching the press conference, I absolutely believe the coyotes are moving to Quebec City.

And lol at Spector asking about the franchise going on hiatus. What an idiot. And I just shake my head at Simmons. I am no Bettman fan, but is it any wonder he avoids the Canadian press like he does.

 

[kdb209]

Peter James @ pjames 13m
For those wondering if Seattle is a potential NHL market, it's worth noting NBC affiliate in Seattle NOT showing Game 1

They still get CBC...

The Stanley Cup finals air in Quebec via a local station.
They don't air in Seattle. Unless they watch it on the CBC feed. But locally, nah.

Sigh. This comes up every year when someone wants to slag Seattle. They like to pretend the games are not broadcast at all

The game was broadcast in Seattle. The NBC affiliate KING showed the game on it's sister station KONG.

KING frequently does this, especially for early games which conflict with KING's local news broadcast and the NBC network news. They moved the NHL broadcast to KONG, which has the same market penetration, and promote the move on KING, including with an intermittent crawl directing viewers to KONG for the game.

The NHL is not unique to this. King has also done this for Seahawks pre-season games.

 

[gernb]

Sigh. This comes up every year when someone wants to slag Seattle. They like to pretend the games are not broadcast at all

The game was broadcast in Seattle. The NBC affiliate KING showed the game on it's sister station KONG.

KING frequently does this, especially for early games which conflict with KING's local news broadcast and the NBC network news. They moved the NHL broadcast to KONG, which has the same market penetration, and promote the move on KING, including with an intermittent crawl directing viewers to KONG for the game.

The NHL is not unique to this. King has also done this for Seahawks pre-season games.

KING regularly uses KONG for sports. The Sounders also end up there. It's just that their news is a bigger ratings grabber and they prefer to not upset those viewers since its a larger audience.

 

[CrazyMonkey1208]

Bettman's plane was scheduled to leave shortly after the 2nd intermission but weather seems to have them staying for the night.

Sadly, I noticed this as well.

 

[rt]

Four years is too mny ****ing years.

Today is the day I have officially reached the point where I truly do not care what the conclusion is, as long as there is a conclusion. Sell local, relocate(to Mexico City, Moscow, Quebec or butt ****, i dont care) fold the team, or drop the god damned hydrogen bomb directly on my face. It's all equally acceptable to me.

The only outcome I actually fear is this dragging on into another season.

 

[TheLegend]

Glendale names the four bidders....

http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/20130613glendale-names-arena-bidders.html


Interesting bunch.

1). SMG (with the AZ Cardinals' Rojo Management)

2). Group that operates US Airways Arena. (talk about locking up a monopoly on arenas).

3). Group out of Scottsdale that runs a small amphitheater in Flagstaff (seats ~3500).

4). Group with alleged ties to Glendale council member Norma Alvarez who have never operated a venue larger than a pool party.

 

[fishbert]

2). Group that operates US Airways Arena. (talk about locking up a monopoly on arenas).

To be fair, I don't think managing 2 arenas in the Phoenix metro area is really a monopoly... lots of competition up there (which coincidentally is a bit of a problem for whoever gets the contract).

 

[TheLegend]

To be fair, I don't think managing 2 arenas in the Phoenix metro area is really a monopoly... lots of competition up there (which coincidentally is a bit of a problem for whoever gets the contract).

Problem I see is when booking acts.... which arena between the two
might get favorable treatment?

Yes they're only two of several venues in Phoenix. But they happen to be the two largest of their type.

 

[madhi19]

Three out of four serious bid the NHL won't like that. If their last gamble was to hope that only unrealistic and inexperienced bidders applied well it dashed. I wonder if Livenation and AEG got bullied away from making a bid?

 

[Evil Doctor]

Glendale names the four bidders....

http://www.azcentral.com/community/glendale/articles/20130613glendale-names-arena-bidders.html


Interesting bunch.

1). SMG (with the AZ Cardinals' Rojo Management)

2). Group that operates US Airways Arena. (talk about locking up a monopoly on arenas).

3). Group out of Scottsdale that runs a small amphitheater in Flagstaff (seats ~3500).

4). Group with alleged ties to Glendale council member Norma Alvarez who have never operated a venue larger than a pool party.

Interesting, no AEG, no Global Spectrum. I was wondering if the owners of the respective Kings and Flyers were going to bid and make Bettman look a little foolish.

SMG is the biggest of the group and most experienced and currently manages two NHL arenas. Recently made a failed bid to manage Copps Coliseum (which went to Global Spectrum).

 

[Evil Doctor]

Three out of four serious bid the NHL won't like that. If their last gamble was to hope that only unrealistic and inexperienced bidders applied well it dashed. I wonder if Livenation and AEG got bullied away from making a bid?

I think you mean Global Spectrum. Live Nation is a separate company that handles tickets (as Ticketmaster) and theatres, and has affiliated itself in the past with both Global Spectrum and AEG.

Perhaps the recent privatization the occurred in Hamilton has confused the issue when Global Spectrum and Live Nation put in a joint bid to run HECFI. Global Spectrum runs Copps, Live Nation runs Hamilton Place. They are allied, but not the same company.

 

[Confucius]

No AEG no Global Spectrum, gee who would have thunk it? Monarch group? Did the wingnuts not read the criteria?

 

[JimAnchower]

2). Group that operates US Airways Arena. (talk about locking up a monopoly on arenas).

Both Nationwide Arena and Value City Arena in Columbus are managed by Ohio State, at least partially. OSU manages the non-athletic events at Nationwide Arena and all events a Value City Arena. Nationwide Arena just announced a decent profit, so a relationship like this can work.

 

[viper0220]

Interesting, no AEG, no Global Spectrum. I was wondering if the owners of the respective Kings and Flyers were going to bid and make Bettman look a little foolish.

SMG is the biggest of the group and most experienced and currently manages two NHL arenas. Recently made a failed bid to manage Copps Coliseum (which went to Global Spectrum).

And I think SMG will get the contract, will they negotiate with the NHL, we will see.

 

[wunderpanda]

4). Group with alleged ties to Glendale council member Norma Alvarez who have never operated a venue larger than a pool party.

If I was a betting panda, I would say this group wins. The dynamic of corruption would just fit this saga perfectly.

 

[Evil Doctor]

An update of the Canadian Press article on TSN.ca...

Daly says Coyotes move possible if no deal reached in Glendale

"We're still focused on making it work with the Coyotes staying in Arizona," he said. "I don't want to begin the process, particularly publicly, where there's going to be a lot of speculation as to where the team might go if it moved because all that would do would be to unfairly raise expectation in places."

Seattle, Southern Ontario and Kansas City are among other areas considered ripe for relocation. But Bettman and Daly emphasized, as they did with the Atlanta Thrashers, that moving any team is a last resort.

Grrr...thanks a lot....

Like asking someone not to think about the elephant...