Phoenix LXXVIII: Know When To Hold 'Em, Know When To Fold 'Em

[Ugmo]

Seems to me that the CoG knows the NHL wants to pass the blame to it for the Coyotes' impending move. The CoG may try to say later, "Look, we wanted to make a deal but the NHL's plan arrived too late. We have to follow public-meeting laws. It's not our fault the NHL moved the Coyotes without waiting for us. It's their fault."

Yep, exactly. He even said in that interview that the CoG had wiggle room up to 8 million, so the CoG won't even look as if it tried to low-ball the NHL.

 

[JB52]

Last title pitch

LXXIX: 6M! There's always place to wiggle it down

or

LXXIX: Dead souls last attack

Phoenix LXXIX: Longer than the Great War

 

[Ugmo]

Nice line there. It gives some context to how long this has drug on. It's one thing if a debacle lasts longer than the Gulf War, but it's another thing if you're approaching a major war like World War I. One wonders, if the money pit was deeper in Glendale, could this saga have approached Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan lengths? With money no object, how long would it have taked Scruggs et al to wise up?

100 Years War.

 

[farscape1]

Really sounds like he's forcing the NHL's hand:

"We're not unreasonable people. We can only afford 6 million, but we're still willing to go as high as 8 million. But there won't be a final vote until June 11."

Presumably knowing the league can't wait that long. Sounds like he's saying Glendale is willing to go above the call of duty, knowing full well that the NHL will have to skip town by May 31. So the NHL gets the blame while the CoG looks like it made a reasonable offer and then some.

Why cant the league wait till june 11th? They waited how many years now so whats a few more weeks.

 

[Ugmo]

Why cant the league wait till june 11th? They waited how many years now so whats a few more weeks.

Something about testifying in court during the bankruptcy proceedings that a team can't be moved after May 31. Also lease issues. If they wait until June 11th they risk getting stuck in Glendale for another year and taking, what, upwards of a 40 million dollar loss just for next season?

 

[farscape1]

Phoenix LXXIX: The Ends in Sight, buts it dam cloudy.

 

[NickWIHockey]

because when they bought the team in bankruptcy court, they said that may 31st was the dropdead date for deciding whether to move or stay, they could not push things into june, and still have time should they decide to move to have the new location up and running in time for a October kickoff. so if there's no deal by may 31st, its time to pack your things, bone up on French, and get used to really cold winters, because we're headed to Quebec. Quebec, at this point, is the only realistic relocation possibility.

 

[Enigma Publius]

Assuming for a moment that the Coyote situation is untenable and that the league will have to relocate (a dangerous assumption given the twists and turns of the saga, no doubt). I have a question (one which likely cannot be easily answered):

Why is the league so desperate to pin blame on the CoG? They have to know that if they maneuver the situation to the point where the CoG denies Gosbee's bid, they've won what amounts to a Phyrrhic victory. Wouldn't anyone dealing with the league in the future not see just how inept the NHL was ... not only in securing a long-term solution in the market, but also in terms of its stewardship during the process? How it extorted millions of dollars from a municipality that did not reasonable have the available?

While the NHL cannot shoulder ALL of the blame (the CoG prior to the recent elections was more than willing to enable the NHL), it certainly shoulders the lion's share of responsibility. So why, at this moment, make a ploy to place the blame on an obviously-financially-strapped municipality? Wouldn't they have been better off, after Jamison's bid fell through, being more open, transparent, and honest about the process?

Or are they counting on other municipalities being completely ignorant of what transpired in Glendale these past four years? And, if so, how realistic is their assumption?

 

[JetSabre]

Loosely translated:

"With the data as we know now, we would have three votes in favor, two against and two undecided. Anything can still move in the amounts traded, "said Mr. Sherwood.

So even after four years of circus acts and $50 million in giveaways to an NHL that is unabashedly hellbent on milking them out of every dollar possible, there's still 3 of the 7 Glendale council voters that will vote in favor to give the NHL $6 million a year or more? When public safety funding is being cut? When bond ratings are in constant jeopardy? Really?

Yeah, I saw, "Loosely translated." But if true, I just don't...I...I don't know how dumb these people can continually be.

 

[xzchief]

The NHL will demand Tuesday that the CoG do one of two things:

1. Agree to a foolish (or sweetheart, depending on your perspective) deal in order to keep the team in town. The June 11 vote must be a formality, or,

2. Publicly reject the NHL and Team Gosbee's plan, therefore taking the blame when the Coyotes move May 31.

At this point, the NHL won't care which option the CoG picks. Either way, the Coyotes will have what they need to survive--a large public subsidy or a new home in Quebec.

The CoG seems to be going for a third option: Not making a decision. It's a governmental body so acting slowly won't surprise anyone. All the council members have to say when asked is, "The final vote is June 11. I'm obligated to my constituents to consider all the information and weigh all the options until then. I owe it to the citizens of Glendale to have an open mind before the June 11 public meeting. I won't decide what to do before then."

The NHL isn't going to wait until June 11 if there's any chance the vote may not go its way. The team will leave, PR hit or not.

 

[metalfoot]

The NHL will demand Tuesday that the CoG do one of two things:

1. Agree to a foolish (or sweetheart, depending on your perspective) deal in order to keep the team in town. The June 11 vote must be a formality, or,

2. Publicly reject the NHL and Team Gosbee's plan, therefore taking the blame when the Coyotes move May 31.

At this point, the NHL won't care which option the CoG picks. Either way, the Coyotes will have what they need to survive--a large public subsidy or a new home in Quebec.

The CoG seems to be going for a third option: Not making a decision. It's a governmental body so acting slowly won't surprise anyone. All the council members have to say when asked is, "The final vote is June 11. I'm obligated to my constituents to consider all the information and weigh all the options until then. I owe it to the citizens of Glendale to have an open mind before the June 11 public meeting. I won't decide what to do before then."

The NHL isn't going to wait until June 11 if there's any chance the vote may not go its way. The team will leave, PR hit or not.

So, what you're suggesting is a multimillion dollar game of chicken is about to go down? Awesome!

 

[viper0220]

If the NHL gets stuck in Glendale, then they just lose the $50 million, that they got from Glendale.

 

[Llama19]

Phoenix LXXIX: The Game of Flinch!

The cards are numbered from 1 to 15, you pick the appropriate card, that is the AMF you pay!

Who's willing to pick the card?

 

[madhi19]

Phoenix LXXIX:Shall we dance Master Harper!

 

[viper0220]

Phoenix LXXIX:Shall we dance Master Harper!

What does Harper have anything to do with this?

 

[madhi19]

What does Harper have anything to do with this?

Not the same Harper it a quote from an old Sci-Fi show.

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

I agree with RT. I can't imagine the NHL giving Mahoney a contract extension if it intended to move the team.
I can't see this team going anywhere.

 

[Llama19]

Wait...we've just exceeded the MPT (maximum posts per thread)

Who's paying for the excess?

J'ai un 2-7 (dépareillé), dois-je plier et prendre une bière?

Please moderators, we're now over 4% of the posted maximum threshold!

I can't take the pressure!

Getting the bends...

 

[farscape1]

Why does Renaissance Sports & Entertainment need $16M/yr anyway? If they have the lease don't they get a cut of all the concerts etc that are hosted at this arena?

Plus don't they get a cut in the parking too?

Plus don't they get Rev Sharing from the league.

Surly with a new owner, many fans will come back and watch the games which will make the team money. Also don't the team get any local tv money an any sponsors?

 

[viper0220]

Not the same Harper it a quote from an old Sci-Fi show.

Oh, ok.

 

[viper0220]

I agree with RT. I can't imagine the NHL giving Mahoney a contract extension if it intended to move the team. I can't see this team going anywhere.

I know what you are trying to Kevy but this is the NHL, these ****ers were selling tickets in Atlanta, when the team was already sold.

 

[Llama19]

Why does Renaissance Sports & Entertainment need $16M/yr anyway? If they have the lease don't they get a cut of all the concerts etc that are hosted at this arena?

Plus don't they get a cut in the parking too?

Plus don't they get Rev Sharing from the league.

Surly with a new owner, many fans will come back and watch the games which will make the team money. Also don't the team get any local tv money an any sponsors?

They have a major sponsor, Gila River Casinos, who, along with the CoG, may be getting some additional 'competition' soon.

J'ai un 2-7 (dépareillé), dois-je plier et prendre une bière?

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

Watched Hot Stove. It sounds like they feel it is a done deal as well.

I hate to see the QC fans go thru this. Damn Gary Bettman. Damn him to hell.

 

[OttawaRoughRiderFan*]

I know what you are trying to Kevy but this is the NHL, these ****ers were selling tickets in Atlanta, when the team was already sold.

Fair enough. I just don't see it. It does not make sense.

 

[farscape1]

Watched Hot Stove. It sounds like they feel it is a done deal as well.

I hate to see the QC fans go thru this. Damn Gary Bettman. Damn him to hell.

I agree, QC fans should have a team and so many on the other thread is going to be so heart broken.