Phoenix CXI: Awaiting CoG arena manager decision [UPD: AEG new Arena Manager?]

[Killion]

Wouldn't the Suns be subject to the same issue (per CasualFan's post about the perils of being an arena tenant on tribal land)? Of course, couldn't a team work in some kind of mediation clause, legal measures to protect them from that scenario?

Yes of course they would. And though it may be somewhat politically incorrect to state it (dont care) if a deal goes south with a Native Band? They go Militant & dont mess around. I do not care how many 1000's of Billable Hours, gracious smiles & handshakes were talking about to craft any supposedly Bullet Proof agreement (be it any league)... if things dont pan out?..... and this is Anthony LeBlanc were talking about here... trouble waiting to happen.... special kinda Lockout you mess up in over-promising & under-delivering. Hair triggers.... Weve all seen this be it housing developments, ski resorts, roads, whatever. If their seriously going to drop hundreds of millions & then pay IA some kinda krazy AMF & they fail to deliver within 12 mnths... oh ya... you got a real problem on your hands be it the NHL, the NBA or the NFL. Your screwed. Take Federal Intervention to cure. GD Army.

Not like the NHL hasn't already ignored their ownership rules. Maybe placing a team in a sovereign nation in the US is a test bed for future expansion to Europe/Mexico.

Theres that (lowering the bar in terms of due-dilly to below the bottom of a snakes belly). If a "test"; predictable...classic. Like one of Jerry Lewis's old movies.

 

[Llama19]

Wouldn't the Suns be subject to the same issue (per CasualFan's post about the perils of being an arena tenant on tribal land)? Of course, couldn't a team work in some kind of mediation clause, legal measures to protect them from that scenario?

Hmmmm. We're getting close to the thread limit. Next title should probably be about the tribal speculation (or ASU speculation). Maybe-
Smoke Signals?
Making Reservations?
Ka¢hinga?
Venue Vision Quest?
Back to School?

I like Smoke Signals, Making Reservations and Venue Vision Quest. Maybe the last one fits best.

Phoenix CXII: Arena Eye Test - Which is Better, 1 or 2

 

[Llama19]

Yes of course they would. And though it may be somewhat politically incorrect to state it (dont care) if a deal goes south with a Native Band? They go Militant & dont mess around. I do not care how many 1000's of Billable Hours, gracious smiles & handshakes were talking about to craft any supposedly Bullet Proof agreement (be it any league)... if things dont pan out?..... and this is Anthony LeBlanc were talking about here... trouble waiting to happen.... special kinda Lockout you mess up in over-promising & under-delivering. Hair triggers.... Weve all seen this be it housing developments, ski resorts, roads, whatever. If their seriously going to drop hundreds of millions & then pay IA some kinda krazy AMF & they fail to deliver within 12 mnths... oh ya... you got a real problem on your hands be it the NHL, the NBA or the NFL. Your screwed. Take Federal Intervention to cure. GD Army.

Theres that (lowering the bar in terms of due-dilly to below the bottom of a snakes belly). If a "test"; predictable...classic. Like one of Jerry Lewis's old movies.

Yep...it took three years to resolve the Grand Canyon Skywalk lawsuit...

 

[Killion]

Yep...it took three years to resolve the Grand Canyon Skywalk lawsuit...

And thats small potato's in comparison to what were talking about. Be it LeBlanc, Sarver, the NHL or the NBA? Playing with fire.

 

[CasualFan]

It does look like it is the only possibility for a new arena announcement that could happen in the next two months. Phoenix's mayor has already said that they are looking at this over the next few years and CF has shot holes in the ASU theory.

Well, I didn't really shoot holes in anything. I tried to gently point to the clearly enumerated process that the university would follow for any major capital expense. But then I got replies saying crazy things like ASUs downtown campus was done via secret negotiation. So I restated the process with a bit harsher tone, including examples of the type of planning and outreach ASU does. It really is an insult to the university and the transparency that they've shown to suggest that there is some top secret NHL arena in the works. MOD

Anyway, Anderson is a great Athletic Director. He has a hockey program on the runway and he's going to promote it heavily as they try to generate interest from conferences and all of that type of stuff. They have a really bright future so he's not going to blow up LeBlancs spot by speaking directly about the matter. How would that even sound? "What? ASU contribute funds to a new NHL arena? Are you on crack? The university just finished a nearly decade long process to get the UAFD in place but now we're going to nuke all that to deliver the kind of subsidy the Coyotes need on an arena? Um, are you stupid? College athletics revolve around football and basketball. You don't sink a boat load of money into a non-revenue sport like hockey. MOD

That's not how quid pro quo works. Anderson wants to market his new Div I hockey product - LeBlanc wants to market hope. So maybe, perhaps, possibly, could be a partnership on a new arena!

 

[Killion]

That's not how quid pro quo works. Anderson wants to market his new Div I hockey product - LeBlanc wants to market hope. So maybe, perhaps, possibly, could be a partnership on a new arena!

Well..... ya...... if, IF they ever get there, home ice for ASU, maybe a practice facility for the Yotes huh?... so.. "not lyin" CF. Whats yer definition of is?

 

[CasualFan]

Whats yer definition of is?

How Clintonian. I'm much more of a Bernie guy. You know: address injustices, tear down the artificial constructs of capitalism, recognize the benefits of socialism... that type of stuff. Best we not go any further down this road.

 

[Killion]

How Clintonian. I'm much more of a Bernie guy. You know: address injustices, tear down the artificial constructs of capitalism, recognize the benefits of socialism... that type of stuff.)

Sure, and "that type of stuff"would be ideal, that I can live with. Its the Fascism being promulgated by the League & by LeBlanc that I have a problem with. Alternate reality. Disinformation. That anyone challenging the corporate line, the faulty dogma & propaganda, that their opinions be marginalized through mockery & derision even after the bare naked exposure of their lies. Upside-Down World CF. All topsy-turvy.. but then.... good pair of Tods driving loafers... Porsche... Tesla..

... who cares?... Boston Whalers are great too.... got my eye on one.

 

[Whileee]

Corrected URL: http://ktar.com/story/916493/asu-could-be-open-to-sharing-new-phoenix-arena-with-suns-arizona-coyotes/

Maybe, perhaps, could, might.

Wait until LeBlank's potential new"partners" see his "business plan". "Wait a sec Tony, could you give us a bit more clarity about this multi-million dollar 'management fee?'"

 

[Killion]

Wait until LeBlank's potential new"partners" see his "business plan". "Wait a sec Tony, could you give us a bit more clarity about this multi-million dollar 'management fee?'"

Yep... but then that is what he does best. Private Placements. Triangulated junk derivatives. Bond Salesman. And he aint even sophisticated about it. His job was done summer 2013. Shouldve disappeared. Vanished. Backseat. As the Face, the NHL's Marionette a complete and utter failure. He gets points for persistence, enthusiasm, bare naked hubris.

 

[blues10]

I don't think that says that they can't build an arena and own it, and appoint an operator like any other arena owner.

Certainly not but it appears the tribe would be unable to issue tax exempt bonds as a means of funding arena construction.

Perhaps IA can arrange to have Fortress loan the tribe the money for arena construction.

 

[Fugu]

Certainly not but it appears the tribe would be unable to issue tax exempt bonds as a means of funding arena construction.

Perhaps IA can arrange to have Fortress loan the tribe the money for arena construction.

I'll have to read this again in the morning, with a clearer mind, but the way I read it, I think the law says they can't issue the bonds as a loan to say a Hulsizer so he could build an arena.

Indian tribes also may not loan or use tax
exempt proceeds to benefit private parties
(i.e., non-governmental users) either
through leasing, use, management or other
preferential arrangements.

Does that include issuing bonds for their own facilities? They in essence are the government.

 

[Killion]

Certainly not but it appears the tribe would be unable to issue tax exempt bonds as a means of funding arena construction.

Not so sure they couldnt blues... but regardless, you have to ask yourself "why"? Why would they even if the mechanisms are in place? Why would they do business with an organization who's suit of armor is not only tarnished but also covered in their own regurgitated puke outta Glendale?... And wheres your money?

 

[XX]

Why would they do business with an organization who's suit of armor is not only tarnished but also covered in their own regurgitated puke outta Glendale?... And wheres your money?

Because it's the tribes. There doesn't need to be a great justification. They can basically plop whatever they want on the edge of Scottsdale. Have you seen Salt River Fields?

 

[TheLegend]

Corrected URL: http://ktar.com/story/916493/asu-could-be-open-to-sharing-new-phoenix-arena-with-suns-arizona-coyotes/

Maybe, perhaps, could, might.

Thanks for the link fix, Jim.

And yup. What you said.

 

[JimAnchower]

That's not how quid pro quo works. Anderson wants to market his new Div I hockey product - LeBlanc wants to market hope. So maybe, perhaps, possibly, could be a partnership on a new arena!

LeBlanc is selling hope. He has this timeline out there that he wants some "agreement" with another city or entity by the end of the season for a new arena. Both Phoenix and ASU have both said they are interested in working with the team but not much is going to happen for a few years, at least. If all he wants is that, they he can stop his deadline and figure out what he is going to do until the next venue opens. But the deadline is still out there, without anything saying what happens if the deadline is reached and there isn't a more concrete agreement.

He does have a couple other options in Salt River and more outside investors. It is possible something could happen with either of those two in the next two months. But if nothing does, where does it leave us? It is LeBlanc's deadline. He can do whatever he wants it. He can extend it, cancel it, ignore it. For Phoenix and ASU, he isn't going to get much more from them in the next two months. And we go back to what happens if the deadline is reached and this is all he has?

 

[mesamonster]

Should the Lebluster(tm) timeline come and go without a sincere offer from any of the entities being discussed what will he have to say? "We are still talking", and the clock ticks on and money keeps spilling from their empty pockets. The fans, media and others are still kept in the dark, still nobody knows what the real cost of another year of economic futility looks like at GRA? And who foots the bill? Lets say they receive a handout from GB, good for one more year! One more year of losses, one more year of patron guessing about the Coyotes future. Bottom line: An alternative in town is 3-5 years out, minimum. GRA next year? Maybe 50-50! If so , the most complete lame duck year ever for a franchise. I still see this group on its way to LV!

 

[Llama19]

LeBlanc is selling hope. He has this timeline out there that he wants some "agreement" with another city or entity by the end of the season for a new arena. Both Phoenix and ASU have both said they are interested in working with the team but not much is going to happen for a few years, at least. If all he wants is that, they he can stop his deadline and figure out what he is going to do until the next venue opens. But the deadline is still out there, without anything saying what happens if the deadline is reached and there isn't a more concrete agreement.

He does have a couple other options in Salt River and more outside investors. It is possible something could happen with either of those two in the next two months. But if nothing does, where does it leave us? It is LeBlanc's deadline. He can do whatever he wants it. He can extend it, cancel it, ignore it. For Phoenix and ASU, he isn't going to get much more from them in the next two months. And we go back to what happens if the deadline is reached and this is all he has?

LeBluster(tm) keeps drawing his 'deadline' in the dirt, then when someone steps over, he keeps drawing another, and another...

 

[CasualFan]

keeps drawing his 'deadline' in the dirt, then when someone steps over, he keeps drawing another, and another...

"My attorneys were laughing at this"
"We're not going to renegotiate"
"We're going to sue Glendale for $200MM"



Hey, remember when "nobody was going to do business with Glendale" because of how they handled IA? I guess the three of the biggest arena management companies didn't get that memo, huh?

 

[Ciao]

Should the Lebluster(tm) timeline come and go without a sincere offer from any of the entities being discussed what will he have to say? "We are still talking", and the clock ticks on and money keeps spilling from their empty pockets. The fans, media and others are still kept in the dark, still nobody knows what the real cost of another year of economic futility looks like at GRA? And who foots the bill? Lets say they receive a handout from GB, good for one more year! One more year of losses, one more year of patron guessing about the Coyotes future. Bottom line: An alternative in town is 3-5 years out, minimum. GRA next year? Maybe 50-50! If so , the most complete lame duck year ever for a franchise. I still see this group on its way to LV!

Well, Mesa, he will never run out of words but it's quite foreseeable that he might well run out of money.

That is when the train would leave the tracks.

 

[Ciao]

"My attorneys were laughing at this"
"We're not going to renegotiate"
"We're going to sue Glendale for $200MM"



Hey, remember when "nobody was going to do business with Glendale" because of how they handled IA? I guess the three of the biggest arena management companies didn't get that memo, huh?

Life is so much stranger than fiction.

The most imaginative among us would never be able to dream this up.

For example, I am still filled with awe and wonder at the proposition that the Salt River tribe would build a new arena for this organization. I would never have imagined that.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Hmmmm. We're getting close to the thread limit. Next title should probably be about the tribal speculation (or ASU speculation). Maybe-
Smoke Signals?
Making Reservations?
Ka¢hinga?
Venue Vision Quest?
Back to School?

ASU-Themed Topic Titles
The Devil is in the Details
Lots of Sparky But No Heat
Tempe Tantrum
Blame it on the Train
School of Hard Knocks

Phoenix-Themed Topic Titles
Orange You Glad the Suns Want An Arena Too?
The Thrilla With a Gorilla
Monkey Business
The Last Stanton
Sarver Wars: The Farce Awakens

Salt River Tribe-Themed Topic Titles
Serious Reservations?
A Quest Called Tribe
Red-faced (* "PC Police on Line 3...")
The Ultimate Gamble
The Native-ity

 

[Fugu]

ASU-Themed Topic Titles
The Devil is in the Details
Lots of Sparky But No Heat
Tempe Tantrum
Blame it on the Train
School of Hard Knocks

Phoenix-Themed Topic Titles
Orange You Glad the Suns Want An Arena Too?
The Thrilla With a Gorilla
Monkey Business
The Last Stanton
Sarver Wars: The Farce Awakens

Salt River Tribe-Themed Topic Titles
Serious Reservations?
A Quest Called Tribe
Red-faced (* "PC Police on Line 3...")
The Ultimate Gamble
The Native-ity

Smoke Signals
Making Reservations
Ka¢hinga
Venue Vision Quest
Back to School


I like all of these. Hmm.

 

[Llama19]

Well, Mesa, he will never run out of words but it's quite foreseeable that he might well run out of money.

That is when the train would leave the tracks.

LeBluster(tm) will never, ever, run out of words...

Phoenix CXII: The LeBluster's(tm) Bluster Goes On and On...

 

[CasualFan]

CXII: Very Super Progressed