Player Discussion Phillip Danault - Damn-oh ! Edition

[Habs Halifax]

Danault could win the Selke and people on HFBoards would still try to tell you he sucks.

People just want a more offensive center and don't appreciate what Danault does for us. Because we don't have better offensive centers, the finger pointing goes to Danault and his tires are deflated.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

First line centers play more than anyone else on their team.

I guess Julien should play Domi on the PK for 22 seconds a game so he can be our most used centre then.

 

[ZUKI]

Don't you think a second line center should ideally be able play on the power play? You do understand that this hurts the team yes?

No , that doesn't hurt the team at all .
Julien knows that after an Habs PP , the opposite teams will come with their best offensive line . That"s why he keeps Danault out of the PP , because he wants him to face those lines . Julien uses his best players in the role they are better suited for . If he plays Danault on the PP, that would mean that Kotkaniemi will face the best opposite line at the end of it . It's more logic to put KK on the PP and than Danault after it .

 

[ZUKI]

Winning the selke doesnt mean hes an adequate 2nd line center. Danaualt is good, hes just overplayed and hogging all the wing talent from offensive players.

Stop with your FAKE NEWS , we are not Republicans here but hockey fans

 

[Mrb1p]

Stop with your FAKE NEWS , we are not Republicans here but hockey fans

Fake news? Hasnt Danault been stapled to the best wingers on this team since 2016?

 

[Vachon23]

If we lose Danault, who is playing vs the other team 1st line ? Who is playing 1st PK ? And the argument that he is playing with the best winger, come on nothing against Gally and Tatar but they are not Kane/Stone/Pasternak caliber. Each offensive wingers that we put with had succes (Radulov/Pacioretty and Tatar/Gally)

 

[Vachon23]

Honest question, does Donal Trump know how to run a country more than anyone here ?

Yes he is. If you think you would do a better job then Julien why are you waisting your day here when you could do millions in coaching ?

 

[Mrb1p]

Yes he is. If you think you would do a better job then Julien why are you waisting your day here when you could do millions in coaching ?

Because Im not part of the old boys club.

Really this appeal to autorithy doesnt work because none of you know who anyone is outside of this board.

 

[jaffy27]

Fake news? Hasnt Danault been stapled to the best wingers on this team since 2016?

And how have the wingers been producing on his wing??

Gallagher has more even strength goals than Crosby and McDavid....how much better would his production be with anyone else??

The least of our problems is who Danault plays with, if a problem at all....

 

[Habs Halifax]

Because Im not part of the old boys club.

Really this appeal to autorithy doesnt work because none of you know who anyone is outside of this board.

OK... tell us. Do you have coaching experience at any level? Clear the air for us so we know?

The old boys club style of coaching or managing is frustrating when it's implemented at a time when you have a rebuilding team and a young roster where you should not care about wins or losses and you are more concerned about a roster that gets tested and they grow. However, the Habs are not in this position so your ideas of throwing untested players in any situation randomly is not the smart move based on our roster and how we are fighting for a playoff spot.

We are not in a rebuild. Time to realize this. Danault is our best center weather you like it or not. Playing center well is not all about points only. You know this I am sure.

 

[Vachon23]

Because Im not part of the old boys club.

Really this appeal to autorithy doesnt work because none of you know who anyone is outside of this board.

The reality is that NHL coaches have probably coach a 1000 of players, they have been in a locker room all there life. They know and see alote of things that normal person like us don’t see. For KK, where not even in the room how can we say that’s not a good desision and that he is not tired ?

 

[ZUKI]

Fake news? Hasnt Danault been stapled to the best wingers on this team since 2016?

Tatar is the best winger of the team ? good news
i think that your definition of best wingers is " the ones that play with Danault "

 

[Belial]

People just want a more offensive center and don't appreciate what Danault does for us. Because we don't have better offensive centers, the finger pointing goes to Danault and his tires are deflated.

The problem here is that Danault actually brings the damn offense! His Even-strength production is up there with the best freaking centers in the league for god sake!

He sits 7th in the league for even strength assists among centers but hey, this guy has no vision and no offensive IQ! Gimme a break!

 

[Mrb1p]

And how have the wingers been producing on his wing??

Gallagher has more even strength goals than Crosby and McDavid....how much better would his production be with anyone else??

The least of our problems is who Danault plays with, if a problem at all....

And Gallagher has less assists than Jordie Benn.

 

[Mrb1p]

The reality is that NHL coaches have probably coach a 1000 of players, they have been in a locker room all there life. They know and see alote of things that normal person like us don’t see. For KK, where not even in the room how can we say that’s not a good desision and that he is not tired ?

Its useless conversation and brings nothing to the table. Its not like Claude Julien is some genius with multiple degrees.

 

[Belial]

And Gallagher as less assists than Jordie Benn.

So who the hell is feeding him the puck if Danault has no clue how to do it?

How come Gallagher scored 30 goals and Tatar has 22 goals right now while being centered by a guy that is pathetic and inept offensively?

Get a clue dude!

 

[Mrb1p]

So who the hell is feeding him the puck if Danault has no clue how to do it?

How come Gallagher scored 30 goals and Tatar has 22 goals right now while being centered by a guy that is pathetic and inept offensively?

Get a clue dude!

Because theyre both really good players? It also happens that Gallagher produces most of his offense from botched offensive plays, something Danault is a master at.

Imagine how many goals hed have if he actually played with offensive talent? Surely you cant ignore that? You think hed have the same production if he was with Domi?

 

[BaseballCoach]

So who the hell is feeding him the puck if Danault has no clue how to do it?

How come Gallagher scored 30 goals and Tatar has 22 goals right now while being centered by a guy that is pathetic and inept offensively?

Get a clue dude!

Danault 51st in the league for primary assist, 44th among forwards, 23rd among centers.

See Weber goal on Tuesday, see Gallagher goal against Pittsburgh as Danault not only worked his butt off but threaded the needle on a pass to Gallagher in the slot. And many more obviously.

He's not inept even he is French speaking, Therrien carried his bag once, and his last name starts with the same letter as little David.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Because theyre both really good players? It also happens that Gallagher produces most of his offense from botched offensive plays, something Danault is a master at.

Imagine how many goals hed have if he actually played with offensive talent? Surely you cant ignore that? You think hed have the same production if he was with Domi?

Probably not since Domi is better than Danault offensively.

BUT......Danault is better at making sure our team has the puck, so the difference may not be huge.

I know the GMs were discussing rule changes the last few days. Is there one being planned that values garbage goals at a lower value than pretty ones? Let me know if that is coming, otherwise I don't care how the goals are scored.

By the way, was the goal Gallagher scored against LA a botched offensive play? It started with a clean Danault faceoff win, and ended in the net, without Danault even getting an assist. So inept.

 

[Belial]

Because theyre both really good players? It also happens that Gallagher produces most of his offense from botched offensive plays, something Danault is a master at.

Imagine how many goals hed have if he actually played with offensive talent? Surely you cant ignore that? You think hed have the same production if he was with Domi?

Tatar played with Domi this year, did his numbers skyrocketed or something when he played with Max?

Because they're both good players must be the dumbest logic ever to be honest!

Let's put them with Thompson apparently, they're that good that the center basically doesn't even matter!

Danault 51st in the league for primary assist, 44th among forwards, 23rd among centers.

See Weber goal on Tuesday, see Gallagher goal against Pittsburgh as Danault not only worked his butt off but threaded the needle on a pass to Gallagher in the slot. And many more obviously.

He's not inept even he is French speaking, Therrien carried his bag once, and his last name starts with the same letter as little David.

He's even higher if you take into account that he doesn't play on the PP.

He sits 7th in the league among centers for even-strength assists.

 

[Mrb1p]

Probably not since Domi is better than Danault offensively.

BUT......Danault is better at making sure our team has the puck, so the difference may not be huge.

I know the GMs were discussing rule changes the last few days. Is there one being planned that values garbage goals at a lower value than pretty ones? Let me know if that is coming, otherwise I don't care how the goals are scored.

By the way, was the goal Gallagher scored against LA a botched offensive play? It started with a clean Danault faceoff win, and ended in the net, without Danault even getting an assist. So inept.

I dont care how the goals are scored either,I care about quantity, and you cant tell me you think Gallys shooting is exploited at his fullest next to Danault?

Also what if I told you Tatar and Gallagher are fantastic at keeping the puck away from the opposition too? Nothing to take away from Danault, but theyre actually better than him in the offensive zone as Danault is a turnover machine there.

How much is Danault benefitting from Gally/Tatar and how much is Drouin damaging Domis possession stats?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Tatar played with Domi this year, did his numbers skyrocketed or something when he played with Max?

Because they're both good players must be the dumbest logic ever to be honest!

Let's put them with Thompson apparently, they're that good that the center basically doesn't even matter!



He's even higher if you take into account that he doesn't play on the PP.

He sits 7th in the league among centers for even-strength assists.

Many of them don't count though because after challenge from the fan #Mrb1p it was announced that "upon video review, it has been determined that we have a 'botched play' and the assist will be given an Asterix"

There will henceforth be three categories of assists:

• Primary assists
• Secondary assists
• Botched plays that lead to goals

 

[Mrb1p]

Tatar played with Domi this year, did his numbers skyrocketed or something when he played with Max?

Because they're both good players must be the dumbest logic ever to be honest!

Let's put them with Thompson apparently, they're that good that the center basically doesn't even matter!



He's even higher if you take into account that he doesn't play on the PP.

He sits 7th in the league among centers for even-strength assists.

Why do you have to use these dumb hyperboles? If youd put both wingers with Thompson his performance would obviously be better. Some may even claim hes a third line c, thats how it is. Talent is talent. Gally and Tatar are fantastic players that make anyone around them better. Does that mean Danault is bad? No, it means his performance are most likely over inflated though, and Im ready to say this is a lot more realistic than saying Danault is a 1C or 2C because he has had a good 15 games stretch.

 

[Mrb1p]

Many of them don't count though because after challenge from the fan #Mrb1p it was announced that "upon video review, it has been determined that we have a 'botched play' and the assist will be given an Asterix"

Do you even take a moment to read what Im saying ?

 

[BaseballCoach]

Why do you have to use these dumb hyperboles? If youd put both wingers with Thompson his performance would obviously be better. Some may even claim hes a third line c, thats how it is. Talent is talent. Gally and Tatar are fantastic players that make anyone around them better. Does that mean Danault is bad? No, it means his performance are most likely over inflated though, and Im ready to say this is a lot more realistic than saying Danault is a 1C or 2C because he has had a good 15 games stretch.

I am not measuring Danault on his best 15 games or his worst 15 games. I'm looking at all 66 games he played. The team scores more when he is on the ice than it gives up, despite starting more often in the defensive zone than average and despite the opponents usually icing a good line more often than average.

He gets results a number of particular ways - off broken plays, turnovers, cycling and counterattacking. Nothing wrong with that, just about every center except maybe the top 5 in the league have certain ways of getting results that dominate over others.