OT: Philadelphia Eagles: Once You Start Down The Dark Path, Forever Will It Dominate Your Destiny

[BrindamoursNose]

i did not say pull him. I said I would like to see Josh McCown run this offense. That will tell us how much of the onus is on the periphery , the coaches or Wentz. You don't want to misjudge those things.

What's the difference between what you said and I said?

Unless you're suggesting McCown coach, we said the same thing.

 

[achdumeingute]

I kind of miss Fatman.

an absolute great coach! Hof. 95% beat lesser talented or worse coached teams.

10% beat well coached/better talented teams. (My % are made up and not necessarily statistically accurate....used for generalization purposes).

Last year was arguably his chance.

 

[achdumeingute]

So what you're saying is, you want to run Carson out of town and ruin any chance of him being an effective starting QB here in the future.

That's exactly what replacing your starting, franchise 26 year old QB (who just got PAID) with a 40 year old PERENNIAL backup will do.

Carson already has the ghost of Foles (who wasn't that good really, aside from a few MASSIVE wins of course) chasing him, and now you think it'll help him to have the Eagles bench him for McCown the journeyman?

You're riding or dying with Wentz, if you have any sense about managing a team with actual people. Wentz needs to work through issues, not be pulled at any moment for freaking JOSH MCCOWN.

I think his point is not about is McCown the guy. It's that can someone else run this offense better than Wentz. Ergo...the problem lies with Carson. For my money..I'd rather see if Nate Sudfeld can do anything.

I get the desire to find out NOW if we made a mistake in QB investment or not.

 

[achdumeingute]

Wentz deserves some criticism, but who doesn't on this team?

If you're saying Wentz regreed, you've got to also include that nearly everyone else did as well (because they're ALL played worse than last season). Only ones you can't pick on are maybe Sanders, Howard, Cox (maybe), and Elliot.

Other than that: they're all to blame, not just Wentz.

100% true. There is a collective blame game to go around for quite a few players.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Lotusflower]

Undoubtedly. But he is the qb and that alone puts the spotlight on him. I really want to see Josh McCown get in at some point this season. Last year the offense sputtered all season long until Foles came in. If the same thing happens with McCown then we are going to have to have a serious discussion about wentz.

This...seems like flawed logic to me. And Ive soured completely on Wentz.

Psychological repurcussions aside, McCown's a different player with a different set of eyes and experiences.
I think this fanbase witnessing the miracle Wentz-to-Foles blood transfusion the last 2 years has skewed our perspetive on what can be reasonably gleaned from a backup QB.
What we witnessed the past 2 years was beautiful but it was unsustainable and downright lucky tbh.

NFL offenses, and their coaches and personnel, are complex.
You cant just plug in one QB for a diagnostic of the whole system like a memory stick and expect to get useful insights.

 

[Jtown]

This...seems like flawed logic to me. And Ive soured completely on Wentz.

Psychological repurcussions aside, McCown's a different player with a different set of eyes and experiences.
I think this fanbase witnessing the miracle Wentz-to-Foles blood transfusion the last 2 years has skewed our perspetive on what can be reasonably gleaned from a backup QB.
What we witnessed the past 2 years was beautiful but it was unsustainable and downright lucky tbh.

NFL offenses, and their coaches and personnel, are complex.
You cant just plug in one QB for a diagnostic of the whole system like a memory stick and expect to get useful insights.

the fact that it happened two years dispels this notion of luck. Also you don't put up 40 points on a belichick team by luck.

 

[Cody Webster]

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[BrindamoursNose]

I think his point is not about is McCown the guy. It's that can someone else run this offense better than Wentz. Ergo...the problem lies with Carson. For my money..I'd rather see if Nate Sudfeld can do anything.

I get the desire to find out NOW if we made a mistake in QB investment or not.

And you/he aren't understanding my point:

If you pull Carson Wentz from the starting job right now, ESPECIALLY for a guy like McCown, then say goodbye to Carson ever having confidence again in this city.

You're telling him that you think McCown (in this instance) can do a better job than he can. He's already got Foles' ghost on his back, why add another one?

That'd be awful, awful, awful management by the Eagles if they have any hope of him being 2017 Wentz in Philly again.

 

[jec6]

And you/he aren't understanding my point:

If you pull Carson Wentz from the starting job right now, ESPECIALLY for a guy like McCown, then say goodbye to Carson ever having confidence again in this city.

You're telling him that you think McCown (in this instance) can do a better job than he can. He's already got Foles' ghost on his back, why add another one?

That'd be awful, awful, awful management by the Eagles if they have any hope of him being 2017 Wentz in Philly again.

Agree 100%. Carson is low on the list of reasons why this team is 5 and 7. The idea of benching him for 40+ year old journey man is team sucide. I love what Nick Foles brought to 2017, but he's benched for a porn star. To think he's a better QB than Carson today or for the future isn't realistic. He's just as much Jeff Fisher Nick Foles as he is 27 and 2 Nick Foles.

1. 5 of our last 8 losses were a horrible dropped pass away from victories. Dropped passes that my 13 yr old catches 8 times out of 10. Our receivers are just not good. It cripples his ability to play. Just like Trash, Stinkton and Whatever garbage receiver was playing with McNabb's early years hobbled that team.
2. Injuries are real, and the talent drop off from our projected starters and their back ups is dramatic. The loss of Jordan Howard and his ability to grind positive yards is bigger than people are giving credence to. Obviously, DeSean has castrated the offense, the defense is a shell, etc.
3. There are a lot of players on this team still drinking the SB champagne and are fat dogs, not hungry dogs. We need to get rid of the players that took a Miami vacation and get players that have a fire to win again. The devisiveness of the 'un-named' sources needs to be cleaned up too.

 

[achdumeingute]

And you/he aren't understanding my point:

If you pull Carson Wentz from the starting job right now, ESPECIALLY for a guy like McCown, then say goodbye to Carson ever having confidence again in this city.

You're telling him that you think McCown (in this instance) can do a better job than he can. He's already got Foles' ghost on his back, why add another one?

That'd be awful, awful, awful management by the Eagles if they have any hope of him being 2017 Wentz in Philly again.

no I understand.

To be clear...I am not advocating for benching him.

That said...what you mention is "loser talk". If he is that mentally weak to be looking at ghosts of Foles ect...then he is already NOT the guy.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

no I understand.

To be clear...I am not advocating for benching him.

That said...what you mention is "loser talk". If he is that mentally weak to be looking at ghosts of Foles ect...then he is already NOT the guy.

No no no. This is the stupid mentality that many Philly fans seem to think is great about the fan base, but it's the worst part about it.

Like students in a classroom, athletes don't learn and develop on the same learning curve. If Wentz is working out his game right now, yanking him is the worst thing that can be done if you want him here for a long time. The mental aspect of the game is MASSIVE, and not botching their handling of Wentz will pay dividends for years. It's insanely difficult to find a QB with Carson's attributes, so why be so okay with "If he can't get over it soon, then he blows and is weak-minded"

So I'll maintain again: Unless Carson gets injured, Carson should play ever snap possible to gain confidence in his game.

 

[Schwarbomb]

Trade for Beckham.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Not sure that was a touchdown by Cook but whatever.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Once again,



Dude has a family.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

He’s having a good debut by all accounts.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Big XII game breaking out in New Orleans.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'm just so thankful that the Eagles aren't playing right now so I can watch this gorgeous offensive game.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28247371/source-reseeding-playoff-teams-never-consideration-nfl

With the NFC East winner poised to have a .500-or-worse record and with NFC wild-card teams expected to have double-digit victories, there have been increasing public calls for the playoffs to be reseeded.

But those calls are mostly from fans and the media; they have not happened within the NFL.

A source with knowledge of the NFL's thinking said the idea of reseeding teams has come up but "has gotten zero steam. It's never been a consideration."

So one of the NFC East teams, likely the Dallas Cowboys (6-7) or the Philadelphia Eagles (5-7), will wind up hosting a playoff game at a time when its record is worse than that of the wild-card teams that open the postseason on the road.

As odd as the records might appear this season, the NFL doesn't believe there's reason to change its seeding format for future postseasons, either.

Would be such an NFL thing to do and would be an abomination to do it midseason.

 

[Halladay]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28247371/source-reseeding-playoff-teams-never-consideration-nfl



Would be such an NFL thing to do and would be an abomination to do it midseason.

This cost the Eagles a Super Bowl in 2008!

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

George Kittle is a trashbag.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

LOLLLLLLL. Saints.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The Saints will forever be on my shit list for whining so much they gave us this awful PI review system.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The Saints will forever be on my **** list for whining so much they gave us this awful PI review system.

Me too. But that hit just cost me my fantasy playoff matchup. So they’re just useless.