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Hollywood Couturier said:
Simple answer is he blew out his knee, broke his back, and got his head bounced off the turf. He's not the same person.

There's a more intricate answer out there also but I think the injuries likely just added up along with some other things.
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Carter Hart said:
I just read this....

Unbelievable about the money tied up which hasn't even started. Damn....had no idea things were this bad.

How Carson Wentz went from Eagles savior to benched QB
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he wasnt really a savior, he only had one great season when had actually played like jalen hurts then nick foles came on won the sb and he started trying to play like him which was not his strength and regressed because of that.
 
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Hollywood Couturier said:
Simple answer is he blew out his knee, broke his back, and got his head bounced off the turf. He's not the same person.

There's a more intricate answer out there also but I think the injuries likely just added up along with some other things.
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That's part of it, but a big part is Pederson, and another big part is the OL.

Wentz probably needs to drop 10 lbs to be more agile, but he also needs a stable (not just good, but predictable, so he knows where the pocket should be) OL b/c he's primarily a pocket QB who can scramble but he's not a runner (lacks burst).

Peddy tried to make Wentz into a RPO QB, but Wentz doesn't have the feel for RPO pass that Foles did, and isn't the runner that Hurts is. Only a clueless HC would call RPO plays that actually had Wentz try to run the ball.
Look for Wentz to go to a HC/QB coach that'll fix his mechanics and build an offense around him as a pocket QB.

I want Pederson gone b/c he's basically a players coach who is fine with a veteran team that doesn't need to be pushed, he's liked by his players and they play for him, but he's not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree when it comes to offensive scheming. He's the wrong guy to preside over a 2-3 year rebuild.

The primary problem this year was the OL implosion, just go back to 2017 and there was one injury (Peters) to the line, and they could work around Vaitai. This year they've had 13 combinations, so it's both a talent problem and a coordination problem. Stoutland has done a great job, but when you're starting Mailata (great talent but learning on the job, literally), Herbig and Pryor, you got problems. Next year they'll get Brooks (this is the first year in 8 years he missed significant time, he was 100% off the other achilles injury), Dillard and Driscoll back, Lane is more of a question (can the ankle be fixed or is it a degenerative condition?), and Mailata and Herbig will have game experience under their belt. So whomever is the QB will have a much better OL.
 
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The greatest problem that I see with Wentz is that he looks to be a second or so behind the pace of the game. He's processing the field as if he were a rookie coming out of Division II ball and isn't accustomed to the speed at which the defense plays. In the past, that wasn't his problem. It begs the question of is he still suffering from the concussion that Clowney gave him with that dirty hit in the PO game last year?
 
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deadhead said:
That's part of it, but a big part is Pederson, and another big part is the OL.

Wentz probably needs to drop 10 lbs to be more agile, but he also needs a stable (not just good, but predictable, so he knows where the pocket should be) OL b/c he's primarily a pocket QB who can scramble but he's not a runner (lacks burst).

Peddy tried to make Wentz into a RPO QB, but Wentz doesn't have the feel for RPO pass that Foles did, and isn't the runner that Hurts is. Only a clueless HC would call RPO plays that actually had Wentz try to run the ball.
Look for Wentz to go to a HC/QB coach that'll fix his mechanics and build an offense around him as a pocket QB.

I want Pederson gone b/c he's basically a players coach who is fine with a veteran team that doesn't need to be pushed, he's liked by his players and they play for him, but he's not the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree when it comes to offensive scheming. He's the wrong guy to preside over a 2-3 year rebuild.

The primary problem this year was the OL implosion, just go back to 2017 and there was one injury (Peters) to the line, and they could work around Vaitai. This year they've had 13 combinations, so it's both a talent problem and a coordination problem. Stoutland has done a great job, but when you're starting Mailata (great talent but learning on the job, literally), Herbig and Pryor, you got problems. Next year they'll get Brooks (this is the first year in 8 years he missed significant time, he was 100% off the other achilles injury), Dillard and Driscoll back, Lane is more of a question (can the ankle be fixed or is it a degenerative condition?), and Mailata and Herbig will have game experience under their belt. So whomever is the QB will have a much better OL.
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what does oline have to with wentz holding on the ball so long? does he 30 seconds to throw the ball? what does the oline have to with wentz not throwing to open receivers like hurts is doing? what's so hard to understand that? what's so hard to ask wentz to do that which he wont and still defending him?
 
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