OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): 2014 Regular Season

[JDinkalage Morgoone]

But still, I'm saying figure out who was protecting him and keeping him around and then punish them. The football team itself doesn't have a consciousness so it isn't responsible for how it receives help and the guys who play on it didn't know what was going on so I think the punishment is misplaced. If the logic is "the football team helps the school a lot so to punish the school you punish the football team" then that's still not good in my opinion. Take away what the football team does for the school (ie money) but don't punish the team itself for something it was a part of.

I can see your points, I still think this was an issue of football culture taking precedence over the well being of others. How do you punish that? I don't know. I do fully agree that the people involved deserve to rot. I think Joe Paterno was plenty guilty from what I've seen.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

How is breaking rules by paying players to help make a football team better being compared to a guy molesting children (I know you're not comparing the severity of the action, I mean the situation and how it effects the school)? He's not molesting kids to help the team win football games and the only way it's connected to the college football team is that he was a coach. So there's no reason to punish the football team.

It's any rules violation tied to the football team. If he got a DUI unrelated to the football team...then yes the team shouldn't suffer. But he used football related equipment, facilities, etc. to further his ability to do what he did. Couple in the fact that the school either a) willingly covered it up, b) turned a blind eye to it completely, or c) just completely bungled it so badly because it had little to no oversight. Whether you believe that Penn State handled this perfectly from the beginning or not, the fact is these horrible things were happening right under the team's and university's nose for decades. Their culpability as a whole is on a "should have known" basis. I, personally, believe they did know and either turned a blind eye or willingly covered it up. Perhaps they didn't. Perhaps it was a secret and no one knew and they did an investigation and found nothing. Ultimately, some terrible stuff went down on the watch of Penn State as a whole. That is what warrants the sanctions and that is why, unfortunately, the students have to suffer. If not, the University gets off the hook for failing to stop this guy from using his PSU connections to harm children. The NCAA sets a precedent that schools are not responsible for the conduct of their employees on their property. "No oversight is necessary as long as there are no recruiting violations" is the message being sent.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Like Miami, did they ever get anything for that booster? They had talks of the death penalty (which I don't think will ever happen in this day in age).

Once it came out the NCAA had the key witness to all of this on the pay roll it was hard for them to do anything. How can you enforce rules when you break your own set of rules?

 

[Striiker]

It's any rules violation tied to the football team. If he got a DUI unrelated to the football team...then yes the team shouldn't suffer. But he used football related equipment, facilities, etc. to further his ability to do what he did. Couple in the fact that the school either a) willingly covered it up, b) turned a blind eye to it completely, or c) just completely bungled it so badly because it had little to no oversight. Whether you believe that Penn State handled this perfectly from the beginning or not, the fact is these horrible things were happening right under the team's and university's nose for decades. Their culpability as a whole is on a "should have known" basis. I, personally, believe they did know and either turned a blind eye or willingly covered it up. Perhaps they didn't. Perhaps it was a secret and no one knew and they did an investigation and found nothing. Ultimately, some terrible stuff went down on the watch of Penn State as a whole. That is what warrants the sanctions and that is why, unfortunately, the students have to suffer. If not, the University gets off the hook for failing to stop this guy from using his PSU connections to harm children. The NCAA sets a precedent that schools are not responsible for the conduct of their employees on their property. "No oversight is necessary as long as there are no recruiting violations" is the message being sent.

Well I don't think the fact that it was in the football facilities makes much of a difference, unless it was a situation where it increased the chances of it happening again. If someone gets molested in a Pruis you're not going to shut down Toyota, you punish the guy who actually did it.

And I'm not saying that the school shouldn't be punished, but do it in a way that only the people who deserve to punished are held accountable, not the students and fans. Even if it means a ton of people get fired or fined or arrested or whatever, the people who did something wrong should be the ones who get made an example of if the point is to send a message. Even if a lot of things went down under the watch of Penn State, the people punished should be the people who are responsible for preventing this kind of thing like the administration, all the way to the top if need be. I think they just punished the football team to do what had the biggest and most visible impact to say "Look, we did something big so this doesn't go unanswered and we won't stand for it", even if it was in the wrong place. I mean if a science teacher did this they're not going to shut down any science related classes and majors.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Well I don't think the fact that it was in the football facilities makes much of a difference, unless it was a situation where it increased the chances of it happening again. If someone gets molested in a Pruis you're not going to shut down Toyota, you punish the guy who actually did it.

That is completely different. This isn't like Sandusky was doing it while wearing a PSU sweatshirt. This wasn't just some tangential relationship where they are randomly sanctioning PSU to make a statement. He was a PSU coach. He was accused to molesting kids while a PSU coach, in PSU facilities. He was accused of doing the same after the school was notified of this and still let him use PSU facilities, at which point he used the same to continue to molest children.

And I'm not saying that the school shouldn't be punished, but do it in a way that only the people who deserve to punished are held accountable, not the students and fans. Even if it means a ton of people get fired or fined or arrested or whatever, the people who did something wrong should be the ones who get made an example of if the point is to send a message. Even if a lot of things went down under the watch of Penn State, the people punished should be the people who are responsible for preventing this kind of thing like the administration, all the way to the top if need be. I think they just punished the football team to do what had the biggest and most visible impact to say "Look, we did something big so this doesn't go unanswered and we won't stand for it", even if it was in the wrong place. I mean if a science teacher did this they're not going to shut down any science related classes and majors.

The NCAA can't fire anyone at PSU. If PSU wants to do that (and they did, to a certain extent), great. But there is no requirement that that happen. The NCAA had to hand down these sanctions as a means of saying: "You need to have oversight of your teams. If you don't, you will suffer serious consequences." Otherwise, the message to NCAA member schools is: "It doesn't matter how bad your sports teams **** up, as long as they don't have recruiting violations, we won't get on your case about it." I can think of no worse **** up than the situation at PSU. From the top down. The NCAA couldn't ignore it. PSU couldn't ignore it. It sucks for fans and players, no doubt. But you shouldn't be mad at the NCAA for that, you should be mad at PSU.

If you suck at your job and get fired (or even if you don't suck and get fired), your kids are going to suffer. That isn't fair either. I know it isn't the same thing going on here, but there is collateral damage with every decision.

 

[Striiker]

That is completely different. This isn't like Sandusky was doing it while wearing a PSU sweatshirt. This wasn't just some tangential relationship where they are randomly sanctioning PSU to make a statement. He was a PSU coach. He was accused to molesting kids while a PSU coach, in PSU facilities. He was accused of doing the same after the school was notified of this and still let him use PSU facilities, at which point he used the same to continue to molest children.



The NCAA can't fire anyone at PSU. If PSU wants to do that (and they did, to a certain extent), great. But there is no requirement that that happen. The NCAA had to hand down these sanctions as a means of saying: "You need to have oversight of your teams. If you don't, you will suffer serious consequences." Otherwise, the message to NCAA member schools is: "It doesn't matter how bad your sports teams **** up, as long as they don't have recruiting violations, we won't get on your case about it." I can think of no worse **** up than the situation at PSU. From the top down. The NCAA couldn't ignore it. PSU couldn't ignore it. It sucks for fans and players, no doubt. But you shouldn't be mad at the NCAA for that, you should be mad at PSU.

If you suck at your job and get fired (or even if you don't suck and get fired), your kids are going to suffer. That isn't fair either. I know it isn't the same thing going on here, but there is collateral damage with every decision.

Since the NCAA can't fire anyone at PSU then they're not in a position to be handling the punishment over the incident, they shouldn't do something just to say that they did.

As for the bolded, "you" should be the people in charge at PSU, not the team itself.

And this isn't a situation of collateral damage, the team was the focus here and the collateral damage was the people who should be the focus.

 

[Schwarbomb]

Sanctions lifted against Penn State today too.

Good.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Also did the Ravens REALLY not have the video? Thats so hard to believe. TMZ cut Rice, not the Ravens.

They really did drop the ball on this one. I mean did you really need the second video to draw the conclusion that he physically struck his wife or whatever? It just officially confirmed what any person with a fully functing brain thought happened in the first place. The whole making Rice look like a sympathetic figure during the intial presser not too long ago also wasn't a good look for them even more so now.

 

[sa cyred]

They really did drop the ball on this one. I mean did you really need the second video to draw the conclusion that he physically struck his wife or whatever? It just officially confirmed what any person with a fully functing brain thought happened in the first place. The whole making Rice look like a sympathetic figure during the intial presser not too long ago also wasn't a good look for them even more so now.

Even better are the fans who got up on their feet and cheered for him during practice a few weeks ago.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Get your popcorn ready if this is true, Goodell HAS TO resign if it is.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/...will_release_more_information_on_tuesday.html

It sounds like Monday's release by TMZ of the video showing running back Ray Rice knocking out his wife in an Atlantic City elevator is just the tip of the iceberg.

Speaking on FOX5, TMZ's Harvey Levin said that the website has more information about the incident, and that come Tuesday morning, they will prove that the NFL knew about the video and decided to turn a blind eye.

"When you wake up tomorrow, go to our website, and you will see what the NFL didn’t do," Levin said."I believe they turned a blind eye to it. The NFL knew this surveillance video existed, they knew the casino has surveillance video, and we will explain (on Tuesday) why we know they knew that — but they did. They didn’t do anything to look at this video.”

 

[Phileeguy]

Get your popcorn ready if this is true, Goodell HAS TO resign if it is.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/...will_release_more_information_on_tuesday.html

If true, agreed. Although Levin could just be overselling it for pageviews. I guess we'll wait and see.

 

[Halladay]

If the Eagles dont win this division the entire organization needs to be done away with. My god are the other three teams terrible.


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