Confirmed with Link: [PHI/SJS] Justin Braun acquired for 2019 2nd (#41) and 2020 3rd Part II

[Striiker]

I'm sure the ice time won't be exactly equal. It's always a question of matchups. But I don't expect a huge difference. They probably don't expect Provorov to carry the entire defense anymore now.

In reality, if any defensemens icetime should suffer, it should be Provorov before Ghost or Sanheim. Both of the others have outperformed him and should get priority.

He simply can't be used like he was last year... it's too much. Let Provorov relax a bit and find his game again.

 

[achdumeingute]

I repeat: Roman Polak was traded for two 2nd rd picks not long ago as a sheer playoff rental, such is the market for blueliners.

A 2nd & a future 3rd for at least a full season of a 21 minute defenseman like Braun is not an overpayment.

20 minute defensemen are hard to find.

blasphemy. Let me get you a torch.

 

[TCTC]

In reality, if any defensemens icetime should suffer, it should be Provorov before Ghost or Sanheim. Both of the others have outperformed him and should get priority.

He simply can't be used like he was last year... it's too much. Let Provorov relax a bit and find his game again.

Yeah, last year was too much and it didn't help him. But with all the changes so far I expect our D to look a lot different next season.

 

[Pantokrator]

People are losing their damn minds over these draft picks.

I just don't see the reason for getting a one year signed guy at the cost of draft picks. I know it is rare for 2nd rounders to make an impact, but every year 3-7 will become decent players. We know Braun is not an impact player. We know he won't help us win a Cup. We know he is a vet defender, of which there will be many to be had in UFA. It's a Clarke/Holmgren model - get rid of picks. The press will be happy because the Flyers made a move.

For a team not on the verge of a Cup, I don't know why you make this trade. If we need a guy to help us for a long playoff run, then yes. Otherwise, it just looks like we are doing the Sharks a favor by taking on a contract so they can manage their cap.

We still have to sign Provy, Sanheim, and TK, not to mention an attempt to get Hayes. Why are we filling up the cap space with mediocre players?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

You each said something about the pairs getting equal icetime...

My question is: do any of you actually believe that will happen?.

One thing I alluded to in my question to CF88 was that Vigneault does have some history of spreading Minutes around.

Hakstol would frequently have 5v5 average spreads of 4+ Minutes between Provy and his sixth highest Defensemen while AV frequently had gaps under 2 Minutes. I understand having hope for it even though I do worry that they're going to continue forcing Provorov into every possible hole.

 

[Striiker]

Yeah, last year was too much and it didn't help him. But with all the changes so far I expect our D to look a lot different next season.

Unless something tragic happens, having no Mac or Hagg will be huge.

It's easily an upgraded group, but whether or not it works out will come down to coaching, both usage and lineups. I'm skeptical but willing to wait and see.

 

[achdumeingute]

I just don't see the reason for getting a one year signed guy at the cost of draft picks. I know it is rare for 2nd rounders to make an impact, but every year 3-7 will become decent players. We know Braun is not an impact player. We know he won't help us win a Cup. We know he is a vet defender, of which there will be many to be had in UFA. It's a Clarke/Holmgren model - get rid of picks. The press will be happy because the Flyers made a move.

For a team not on the verge of a Cup, I don't know why you make this trade. If we need a guy to help us for a long playoff run, then yes. Otherwise, it just looks like we are doing the Sharks a favor by taking on a contract so they can manage their cap.

We still have to sign Provy, Sanheim, and TK, not to mention an attempt to get Hayes. Why are we filling up the cap space with mediocre players?

if we get to the second round...is that not helpful overall to the team from a "growth" perspective? Braun can CERTAINLY help with that.

Imo I can appreciate Fletcher making moves to put AV in a chance for success.

 

[Branko]

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[Striiker]

One thing I alluded to in my question to CF88 was that Vigneault does have some history of spreading Minutes around.

Hakstol would frequently have 5v5 spreads of 4+ Minutes between Provy and his sixth highest Defensemen while AV frequently had gaps under 2 Minutes. I understand having hope for it even though I do worry that they're going to continue forcing Provorov into every possible hole.

Well if he actually does that then I'll be much more comfortable with this.

Like I just said, whether this D works or not will come down to how it's used and put together. It could be good or it could be a disaster... we'll see.

 

[CutOnDime97]

I just don't see the reason for getting a one year signed guy at the cost of draft picks. I know it is rare for 2nd rounders to make an impact, but every year 3-7 will become decent players. We know Braun is not an impact player. We know he won't help us win a Cup. We know he is a vet defender, of which there will be many to be had in UFA. It's a Clarke/Holmgren model - get rid of picks. The press will be happy because the Flyers made a move.

For a team not on the verge of a Cup, I don't know why you make this trade. If we need a guy to help us for a long playoff run, then yes. Otherwise, it just looks like we are doing the Sharks a favor by taking on a contract so they can manage their cap.

We still have to sign Provy, Sanheim, and TK, not to mention an attempt to get Hayes. Why are we filling up the cap space with mediocre players?

I don't think it's great either. But it's not the end of the world.

 

[baudib1]

We should have kept Gudas and traded a 2nd and a 3rd for Niskanen. That would have been much better. Washington doesn't say no to that.

 

[phil162888]

I think this is a solid move. This team needs veterans that actually know how to play defense (bonus they can eat minutes and have playoff experience). That's been one of our biggest sore spots over the past few seasons. I would think that Ghost may be expendable but we need a PP specialist so the more you think about it he should be fine. The only trade I'd be happy about regarding Ghost would be to Florida in a move for Huberdeau or Trochek. I think were going to see 2 more moves by Fletcher. One for a goalie and another in a trade for a quality 2nd line forward (either c or wing). Hayes looking like a no go which i'm totally good with (either sign him for a decent deal or let him walk) overpaying would be disastrous imo especially with expansion draft next year.

 

[achdumeingute]

I don't think it's great either. But it's not the end of the world.

exactly....all in all it's just a "solid" move. Low risk...moderate reward.

 

[Garbage Goal]

can't say I think Fletcher has done a bad job at all.

I was convinced they'd be trading like crazy to improve the team now after the hextall fire...that hasn't happened. We kept almost everything of value. I was happily wrong.

Imo ..we have improved on defense. This team needed some marginal upgrades and TIME for young players to figure it out...not wholesale trades. Fletch has made some incremental upgrades.

I meant his history as GM in the league.

This is his first off-season as Flyers GM. There’s barely any basis for judgment, albeit I would say That small sample is growing increasingly unimpressive.

 

[CutOnDime97]

exactly....all in all it's just a "solid" move. Low risk...moderate reward.

Not sure I'd agree it's "solid". More that it's "maybe not that bad" and "not a big deal".

 

[phil162888]

I expect another deal soon a blockbuster perhaps with multiple players involved from both sides. Seems like Niskanen and Braun are leading to something larger.

 

[achdumeingute]

I meant his history as GM in the league.

This is his first off-season as Flyers GM. There’s barely any basis for judgment, albeit I would say That small sample is growing increasingly unimpressive.

I'm not putting too much weight on his failures from before because I can't imagine it's ONLY him making moves. I'm sure there is an entire pro scouting team that discusses and weighs in on these deals.

 

[Striiker]

I expect another deal soon a blockbuster perhaps with multiple players involved from both sides. Seems like Niskanen and Braun are leading to something larger.

I doubt it.

If anything, it seems like Niskanen and Braun are here to support/enhance the kids and let them be the stars.

I think the focus now falls on Hayes and making sure he gets signed. Then a backup goalie.

 

[Magua]

Usage and performance are two different things. I don't know why people want to be stubborn not acknowledging that.

Braun used to be good. I don't care that he used to be a great top 4 -- the question is, just like Niskanen (who I'm less skeptical about), is he one now? And don't feed me raw usage as ironclad proof, or I'll throw it right back. Maybe away from the specter of some of the hardest usage in the league, he can be more of a role filler and not get quite as caved. But he also could've fallen off the cliff, and that's a helluva trade package for a rental who fell off a cliff. It's a helluva cost for a rental period for a Sharks team desperate to offload cash.

I fully anticipate, cliff or not, he will see too much usage at the opportunity cost of a better player. That's wonderful that he has some better defensive technique than Ghost or Sanheim or whoever. But I'm not here to watch that technique all game when this team is playing up to 3 negative possession players in way over their heads in our top 4/pair.

 

[hatcher]

Fletcher is making this team stronger and way better. Not done yet boys with the moves.

 

[Here4ThaLids]

On the plus side, Trav-O has to play the left side now.

But so does Ghost.

 

[Magua]

At least we know Fletcher cornered the market in acquiring, at full cost, aging top 4 RHD coming off career worst seasons that teams with shrinking Cup windows viewed as expendable for cost/play reasons.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I meant his history as GM in the league.

This is his first off-season as Flyers GM. There’s barely any basis for judgment, albeit I would say That small sample is growing increasingly unimpressive.

He GM’s like his he cuts his hair.

 

[landsbergfan]

Usage and performance are two different things. I don't know why people want to be stubborn not acknowledging that.

Braun used to be good. I don't care that he used to be a great top 4 -- the question is, just like Niskanen (who I'm less skeptical about), is he one now? And don't feed me raw usage as ironclad proof, or I'll throw it right back. Maybe away from the specter of some of the hardest usage in the league, he can be more of a role filler and not get quite as caved. But he also could've fallen off the cliff, and that's a helluva trade package for a rental who fell off a cliff. It's a helluva cost for a rental period for a Sharks team desperate to offload cash.

I fully anticipate, cliff or not, he will see too much usage at the opportunity cost of a better player. That's wonderful that he has some better defensive technique than Ghost or Sanheim or whoever. But I'm not here to watch that technique all game when this team is playing up to 3 negative possession players in way over their heads in our top 4/pair.

I'm just here for the dig at Provorov

 

[baudib1]

Usage and performance are two different things. I don't know why people want to be stubborn not acknowledging that.

Braun used to be good. I don't care that he used to be a great top 4 -- the question is, just like Niskanen (who I'm less skeptical about), is he one now? And don't feed me raw usage as ironclad proof, or I'll throw it right back. Maybe away from the specter of some of the hardest usage in the league, he can be more of a role filler and not get quite as caved. But he also could've fallen off the cliff, and that's a helluva trade package for a rental who fell off a cliff. It's a helluva cost for a rental period for a Sharks team desperate to offload cash.

I fully anticipate, cliff or not, he will see too much usage at the opportunity cost of a better player. That's wonderful that he has some better defensive technique than Ghost or Sanheim or whoever. But I'm not here to watch that technique all game when this team is playing up to 3 negative possession players in way over their heads in our top 4/pair.

If anything you're being too generous. He used to be an OK/solid No. 4. Used to be.