PGT -- SummerSlam 2019

[Falco Lombardi]

^^^^ Well put

In the past couple weeks, Ziggler has pinned Balor and Ali and destroyed Rey Mysterio.

Burying Ziggler just makes each of those guys look worse. You can de-emphasize a guy without ruining any credibility he has, which Dolph does have.

 

[KCC]

There were a few spots where it looked like he was really conflicted, like he wanted to rip the mask off and revert to his other persona

That's true. I noticed that as well. I prefer him wearing the mask but I don't think he can keep wearing it. People get bored of gimmicks faster than ever before. He'll have to take it off eventually. haha

 

[M.C.G. 31]

that’s why you flesh out the “heal” persona of this Wyatt. The dude in the funhouse without the mask.

 

[HandsomeHollywood]

^^^^ Well put

In the past couple weeks, Ziggler has pinned Balor and Ali and destroyed Rey Mysterio.

Burying Ziggler just makes each of those guys look worse. You can de-emphasize a guy without ruining any credibility he has, which Dolph does have.

Eh, Dolph beat Bàlor only by distraction. Also I recall Goldberg beating Lesnar in short order. I've never been a fan of using those arguments though. Additionally Rey Mysterio has been treated as a punching bag more often than not since he's returned.

I can't imagine another way where Dolph and Goldberg would be better than it was. The superkick has been rendered similar to the clothesline the past few years and I wouldn't buy it putting Goldberg down for any length of time. Plus Goldberg's spear and jackhammer have been made into match killers. I also wouldn't want Goldberg to be anywhere near a longer than 2 minutes or competitive match. I would prefer no Goldberg at all, ideally. There's enough 50/50 booking already, anyway.

Ziggler's black knight shtick made the whole thing entertaining at least.

 

[Jussi]

except for Rock. Hogan always laid down for Rock.

everyone else though? forget about it lol

Brock says hi.

 

[Jussi]

How do you protect someone while executing a Jackhammer?

I mean I get that the move requires a ton of strength on Goldberg's part to get that vertical hold (with help from Ziggler), but on the follow-through there's really not a whole lot that can be done.

He had his arm around Ziggler in a protective way I don't recall seeing him do before.

 

[Jussi]

 

[Dominator13]

I've watched The Fiend's entrance 10 times already. What a fantastic job they did with that. Great camera work. Everything was spot on. Reminded me of when Kane debuted. I got the same type of chills.

Anyone know who the band was?

I've been saying the exact same thing all day. The last entrance to freak me out that bad was when Kane debuted 22 years ago (damn I'm old).

I can't get over how legendary that debut was. I hadn't realised he was holding his own head, with the eyes sewed tight.

There's soooooo many angles to go with that character. He's basically the new Undertaker now.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I've been saying the exact same thing all day. The last entrance to freak me out that bad was when Kane debuted 22 years ago (damn I'm old).

I can't get over how legendary that debut was. I hadn't realised he was holding his own head, with the eyes sewed tight.

There's soooooo many angles to go with that character. He's basically the new Undertaker now.

I just remembered the first thing Kevin Dunn zoomed in on was that lantern. Then they went back to it again once it sat on the apron.

Big close up.

Now, though, WWE is editing recapnl vids to avoid showing the lantern.

What gives?

If Bray comes out with a different lantern tomorrow or whenever, I'll be disappointed

 

[GKJ]

I've been saying the exact same thing all day. The last entrance to freak me out that bad was when Kane debuted 22 years ago (damn I'm old).

I can't get over how legendary that debut was. I hadn't realised he was holding his own head, with the eyes sewed tight.

There's soooooo many angles to go with that character. He's basically the new Undertaker now.

Vince thinking he was the new Undertaker was exactly the problem the first time.

Be ‘the fiend’

 

[HandsomeHollywood]

I just remembered the first thing Kevin Dunn zoomed in on was that lantern. Then they went back to it again once it sat on the apron.

Big close up.

Now, though, WWE is editing recapnl vids to avoid showing the lantern.

What gives?

If Bray comes out with a different lantern tomorrow or whenever, I'll be disappointed

Reminds me of parents losing it in the 90s when Al Snow action figures were coming with what they called a "severed woman's head".

Could be a thing to appease parents. Or maybe they legitimately think it's too scary.

 

[GKJ]

^^^^ Well put

In the past couple weeks, Ziggler has pinned Balor and Ali and destroyed Rey Mysterio.

Burying Ziggler just makes each of those guys look worse. You can de-emphasize a guy without ruining any credibility he has, which Dolph does have.

You’re not supposed to remember that first part.

 

[donkshow]

Will Bray Wyatt ever wrestle as the Firefly Fun House persona? I think it is needed to really get the split-personality character over to the next level.

 

[ColePens]

Will Bray Wyatt ever wrestle as the Firefly Fun House persona? I think it is needed to really get the split-personality character over to the next level.

I was realllllly hoping he'd be in backstage segments in the sweater and act like nothing happened in the ring. Maybe even wishing his opponent good luck after the match is already over. Stuff like that.

Nonetheless - presentation is A++++ right now. If it progresses even further, great.

 

[ColePens]

^^^^ Well put

In the past couple weeks, Ziggler has pinned Balor and Ali and destroyed Rey Mysterio.

Burying Ziggler just makes each of those guys look worse. You can de-emphasize a guy without ruining any credibility he has, which Dolph does have.

These are the reasons I honestly do not watch. Had no interest in last night. In NXT - the promos don't put guys down as often as WWE. Constantly you will hear dream say "I know _____ is great. But i'm the Dream." Everyone talks about it. You build your opponent up so if you lose, you look good as well.

Blah i could rant for days. It's WWE's fault they don't have multiple mega stars. Feeding Goldberg's ego as the cost of like 3-4 people is just stupid. That is that was someone like MJF or a cool heel instead of an older Ziggler. Then the match starts and Goldberg gets shocked real quick in the way he used to beat down guys. Boom - a legend putting over a star.

But nooooo feed that 50 year old ego.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

why is Goldberg beating another part-time guy such a touchy issue lol

 

[Jussi]

why is Goldberg beating another part-time guy such a touchy issue lol

Considering Ziggler is also kind of part-time. Gets paid lots of money to put over people and do his non-wrestling stuff when he wants to.

 

[ColePens]

why is Goldberg beating another part-time guy such a touchy issue lol

I think that was my whole point. Why is he fighting another part timer? What is it doing for anyone? And the point up above that Ziggler was built over 3 other wrestlers to just get handed.

MCG... are you busy at the gym or are you reading this thread?

 

[M.C.G. 31]

I think that was my whole point. Why is he fighting another part timer? What is it doing for anyone? And the point up above that Ziggler was built over 3 other wrestlers to just get handed.

MCG... are you busy at the gym or are you reading this thread?

well I saw the random mention of MJF and kind of lost track, admittedly.

it was a harmless segment on the show that got the crowd hot, and Heyman has a role for Goldberg moving forward for short matches as an attraction.

the only one who was probably harmed a little bit was Ali for losing to Ziggler, but he got over and got a nice pop for his run-in in that segment too.

using 5 minutes so Ziggler can sell his ass off & the crowd gets hot harmed no one imo

 

[SeidoN]

 

[ColePens]

I can't stop listening. I think this is amazing. Beyond amazing. Might be one of the greatest themes of all time.

 

[Maffew]

Might be the single fastest time from debut to posting the theme on the WWEMusic channel ever

 

[Maffew]

I can't stop listening. I think this is amazing. Beyond amazing. Might be one of the greatest themes of all time.

During his entrance on Sunday, I thought the chanting in the background was "BURN! KILL! BURN! KILL!" and I was blown away and in disbelief.
When I realized they were chanting hurt heal hurt heal I was mildly disappointed, but it's still the best theme I've heard in years.

 

[Cor]

Might be the single fastest time from debut to posting the theme on the WWEMusic channel ever

It was posted Sunday night and then pulled down

 

[Maffew]

It was posted Sunday night and then pulled down

Even more impressive. They'll probably take it down and repost it again when they want to change The Fiend to just "Fiend"

Or "The"