$8M is steep for a team like the Ducks. Gotta hope Getzlaf takes somewhat of a discount. Idk if we can afford to bring both back on $8M cap hits
It's pretty hard to find players under contract for 5-8 years max who are around the same age as Getzlaf and Perry and have accomplished as much as they have, when they signed their contracts. For example, Toews signed his current contract before he won his Cup, Conn Smythe, and Olympic Gold. Kopitar signed his before winning the Cup. The Sedins signed their contracts before winning their Art Ross', Hart (Henrik) and Lindsay (Daniel), although they did have Olympic Golds when they signed. Getzlaf and Perry could easily demand more money than those players. Two comparables that stick out to me are Eric Staal for Getzlaf and Nash for Perry.
Staal is on a 7 year, $57.75 million deal that he signed when he was only 23, but had a Cup and WC Gold to his name. He was already a top center in the game, with a 100 point season to prove it. His cap hit is $8.25 million and is earning over $9 million in the last three years of the deal. I could see Getzlaf's contract being similar to this, but he has more leverage Staal had when he got his deal, being captain, 4 years older, and an Olympic Gold which Staal didn't have at the time.
Nash is on an 8 year, 62.4M contract, was 25 when he signed and other than winning a Richard trophy, accomplished nothing in the NHL. Had won a WC Gold but signed his contract before winning gold in 2010. He was however the face of a struggling franchise who were basically forced to give him whatever he wanted. Perry could also demand equal or more money than Nash got.
I could see both Getzlaf and Perry wanting upwards of $60-65 million over 8 years. There's a good chance someone is willing to pay $60 over 7 for these guys in free agency. If they settle for a cap hit of around 7.5 for the Ducks, I'd be happy. Could easily get upwards of 8 though.
Ilya Kovalchuk is a good baseline for Corey Perry.
I believe Perry can and will get between $10-11 million per year for the full 7 years. That's what Kovalchuk is slated to get for the next 7 years. And Getzlaf is the big body frontline center everyone desperately wants, so it wouldn't even surprise me if he gets more than Perry.
I think that's rather absurd. Kovalchuk only gets that kind of number because the old CBA allowed tools to cut the cap hit down. Him making $10-11M in salary doesn't remotely suggest that GMs would have been comfortable giving him that amount in cap hit. There's not many actual benchmarks available, due to the vast difference in nature between the old and new CBA. To me, $8M in salary as well as cap hit seems to be closing in on the upper limit of what is reasonable.
I think that's rather absurd. Kovalchuk only gets that kind of number because the old CBA allowed tools to cut the cap hit down. Him making $10-11M in salary doesn't remotely suggest that GMs would have been comfortable giving him that amount in cap hit. There's not many actual benchmarks available, due to the vast difference in nature between the old and new CBA. To me, $8M in salary as well as cap hit seems to be closing in on the upper limit of what is reasonable.
$8M is steep for a team like the Ducks. Gotta hope Getzlaf takes somewhat of a discount. Idk if we can afford to bring both back on $8M cap hits
There are no excuses now, back diving contracts are gone, there are max years that can be offered, and we now qualify for revenue sharing, I don't wanna hear any excuses that we can't afford them, if you won't pay to sign your two best players, in their prime then why should we as fans bother to give you our money?
Well Murray has no problem telling us how great the farm system is, if that's the case, we should be able to supplement Getzlaf and Perry with talent. I just don't wanna hear that the money isn't there, it's not a good excuse anymoreIt's not the money it's the cap hit. Crosby and Malkin have an 8.7M cap hit each and look at the trouble Pittsburgh has had icing actual top 6 forwards to go with them. Getzlaf and Perry aren't each capable of carrying a line by themselves like those two are.
I just don't wanna hear that the money isn't there, it's not a good excuse anymore
It's a bit of a different task to fill blanks next to players like Malkin or Crosby, than it is to fill one blank next to Getzlaf/Perry, and an entire line of blanks, with noone being reasonably expected to carry that line.Well Murray has no problem telling us how great the farm system is, if that's the case, we should be able to supplement Getzlaf and Perry with talent.
If Burke were GM again both Perry and Getzlaf would be off to Boston so he could build his 2nd cup winner in 3 seasons.
There are no excuses now, back diving contracts are gone, there are max years that can be offered, and we now qualify for revenue sharing, I don't wanna hear any excuses that we can't afford them, if you won't pay to sign your two best players, in their prime then why should we as fans bother to give you our money?
Ilya Kovalchuk is a good baseline for Corey Perry.
I believe Perry can and will get between $10-11 million per year for the full 7 years. That's what Kovalchuk is slated to get for the next 7 years. And Getzlaf is the big body frontline center everyone desperately wants, so it wouldn't even surprise me if he gets more than Perry.
maybe they'll do Anaheim a kindness by re-signing before the free agency window opens, because the vultures are already starting to circle.
There's nothing else to say than we'll have to wait and see. It wasn't an "excuse" but a reason most times in the past, and even within the helpful restrictions of the new CBA, we're not among the richer teams, and we're most likely still not a cap team. Money not being there will continue to be a very real factor.
Whether it's going to be one with Getzlaf, I doubt it. It might be one with the two of them as a package, because they're going to keep playing on a line. I'm with DVM there entirely (at least, if I get his point right) - paying two forwards on one line $16M isn't a great vision, even in the light of the extremely uncomfortable position of losing one of them. But that wouldn't be an easy foundation for success going forward. That has to be respected.
It's a bit of a different task to fill blanks next to players like Malkin or Crosby, than it is to fill one blank next to Getzlaf/Perry, and an entire line of blanks, with noone being reasonably expected to carry that line.
That's exactly what I was trying to say. Crosby and Malkin can play with 3rd liners and outperform Perry and Getzlaf (while making 3rd liners produce like 2nd liners and 2nd liners produce like 1st liners), which is the only thing that makes that team work.
The other thing is - say goodbye to Ryan. No way can they carry 3 forwards at 7+ in 2 years.
There's no reason to assume the team is not making a herculean effort to sign them both.
Well, it's not just "say goodbye to Bobby", it's basically "say goodbye to another expensive forward" for the next near-decade, which is what we need to be aware of. Even finding comparably cheap good second line players for $4M a year will give us a hell of a hard time. If it really came to Getzlaf/Pears asking for $8M each, we'd likely soon start laughing at having complained about being a one-line team before. It's a very, very difficult basis to build anything around.If that's the case then I'd like to think we make a big push to sign Perry and Getz asap, even if it costs a bit more than we like. In the off season Bobby could fetch a darn good price with 2 years still remaining on a very good contract. With next year's cap dropping from $70.something to $64.3 somebody should be willing to pay up for him.
It no doubt is.And as I stated elsewhere, I think this is a turning point for the future of this franchise.
I don't know if I'd go that far. Just because our last few years - safe for last year mainly for reasons very other than Getzlaf and Perry, to be fair - haven't exactly put us to a point where one would have to conclude that this is a core working to that special degree that puts it above questioning. I don't think we're in a situation where it's beyond viable rationalisation to blow a bit of the core up. Not that I'd ask for that, but I don't think this group has done enough to have earned that very rare spot beyond that shadow of a doubt.If we do not make a giant effort to sign these two guys now, when will we ever show a desire to go the extra mile?
It's entirely speculation, but I actually don't get the impression that Ryan is wired that way. I think he's rather emotional in certain aspects, and I believe there's aspects he values higher. I might be entirely off on that.If we don't sign those two now, what are the chances Bobby would want to stay anyway, in two years? Seems like Bobby could be gone either way. One way we have Perry and Getz, the other way we don't have any of the three.
No question. I mean, I can philosophize about us getting in trouble with a $16M pair on one line, but at the end of the day, Ducks fans won't let Murray stop hearing it for a long time if he loses either, no matter what the situation ends up like.There's no reason to assume the team is not making a herculean effort to sign them both.
Torontos in a worst position than we are. Kessel is still a stud player all they lost was Seguin. Besides a few bad signings with Dead Weight he brought us Bobby Ryan who was a crapshoot 2nd overall. Guess what? he's panned out and might be the only first line player signed after this season.
Agreed. Just making sure BM knows where we stand, just in case he was wondering.
No question. I mean, I can philosophize about us getting in trouble with a $16M pair on one line, but at the end of the day, Ducks fans won't let Murray stop hearing it for a long time if he loses either, no matter what the situation ends up like.
I picture Murray like Scotty in Star Trek IV when it comes to computers: I can see him picking up the mouse and saying "hello computer?" into the trackball.
- Agree. If we can't afford to pay a them a combined 15-16 mil, then we shouldn't have a franchize and I shouldn't bother paying for tickets.
I really don't see a way to replace Perry or Getzlaf. Its not going to happen in UFA, and its not goina happen in a trade, unless we are taking on someone's big contract they don't want.
That said, if this was fantasy team, I'd love to dish Getz and Perry for big returns, then use the saved money to buy or trade for some overpriced free agents and double up on my talent.
As a fan, I wouldn't want to see Getz or Perry moved, or Ryan for that matter. I don't really remember what hockey looks like anyway, its been so long, so I'd like to watch my short season with players I know.
Get em signed, worry about caps later.