Post-Game Talk: | Pens vs Flyers | win | Won it for Letang, Geno took dumb penalties in honor of Letang

[Big Friggin Dummy]

It is exactly this. It's Russian roulette no matter who you start but Jarry has higher upside. We're holding onto our butts no matter who is in net. This is what happens when you fail to address the goaltending situation for multiple years straight despite all the warning signs.

Just wait until Jarry gets his first big boy contract from Hextall's successor this summer.

 

[Deport Ogie]

I’ll never get the idea that Desmith sucks. He is a standard sub 2 million back up.

People want to give Andersen a contract next year and he has a worse SV% than Desmith in the most protective defensive system in the league.

CDS is fine in a minimized role and appropriately cheap as that role. You need to have a reliable solid '1A' to carry a backup like him. So you either need to find a more trustworthy 1 and can keep CDS or you need to find a true platoon type goalie rotation. The pairing as it exsts today is not feasible.

CDS is fine as a 2. He is not 1b.

 

[Gurglesons]

CDS is fine in a minimized role and appropriately cheap as that role. You need to have a reliable solid '1A' to carry a backup like him. So you either need to find a more trustworthy 1 and can keep CDS or you need to find a true platoon type goalie rotation. The pairing as it exsts today is not feasible.

CDS is fine as a 2. He is not 1b.

Agreed.

But the issue this year has not been Desmith. It's been Jarry.

 

[Deport Ogie]

Agreed.

But the issue this year has not been Desmith. It's been Jarry.

Right, that was my point. I buried the lede.

 

[ronduguayshair]

If Desmith's your starter you're going to need at least 3 goals because he's going to let in at least one bad goal a game.

Solid backup who's improved over time.

 

[reino]

If Desmith's your starter you're going to need at least 3 goals because he's going to let in at least one bad goal a game.

Solid backup who's improved over time.

Very hard to be goalie when you have forwards like Malkin who can't play defense to safe his life.

 

[Rave7215]

Very hard to be goalie when you have forwards like Malkin who can't play defense to safe his life.

So you don't actually watch the games. Good to know

 

[ronduguayshair]

Very hard to be goalie when you have forwards like Malkin who can't play defense to safe his life.

I'm sure #71 can PPG himself out of defensive shortcomings though.

 

[Flying Dego]

I'm sure #71 can PPG himself out of defensive shortcomings though.

Malkin is #10 in points this year among ALL centers at the age of 36.

My goodness man. I get it you're very upset with Geno for your own reasons. Respect to you for the energy you put towards your passions.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I lost brain cells watching this. How can you matter of factly say that CDS is "the guy". Lmao

Recency bias at it's Zenith

 

[vikingGoalie]

thank you DeSmith. even with just an average performance from our goalies we lose this one.
Granted the flyers play their hardest games against the pens but it's pretty disconcerting that we had to hold on for dear life for a while there in the 3rd to not lose to a lottery team (again).

totally agreed on the general sentiment, cds is fine as our backup if we have a true #1. if Jarry is going (god I hope so) and we keep CDS we have to get a solid goalie as our number one. Hind sight being what it is imagine if we had hung on to Gustavsson instead of getting brassard.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Very hard to be goalie when you have forwards like Malkin who can't play defense to safe his life.

Very hard to be on a message board reading posts that can't spell "Save".

But yea here is Geno not playing defense



If you'd like some other examples of him not playing defense, I've got plenty of evidence if you'd like to see it. But you seem super smart and can use the internets, I'm sure

 

[DesertedPenguin]

What toolset does POJ have that makes you high on him long term?

His skating and his shot. He has five goals despite minimal power play time and isolated 5-on-5 minutes.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

His skating and his shot. He has five goals despite minimal power play time and isolated 5-on-5 minutes.

This isn't directed at POJ or a shot at him, but just a commentary on how little we usually get from out defense. But it's funny that we consider 5 goals from a defenseman to be somewhat impressive. Just highlights how many 1-2 goal per year muffin shots we always seem to ice.

 

[Gurglesons]

This isn't directed at POJ or a shot at him, but just a commentary on how little we usually get from out defense. But it's funny that we consider 5 goals from a defenseman to be somewhat impressive. Just highlights how many 1-2 goal per year muffin shots we always seem to ice.

I mean. That is a lot. Only 75 defensemen in the league have more.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I mean. That is a lot. Only 75 defensemen in the league have more.

Among contending clubs, most have multiple guys above that (or pacing above that if not for injury).

 

[Gurglesons]

Among contending clubs, most have multiple guys above that (or pacing above that if not for injury).

I mean, that doesn't change the fact that POJ being in the 5 goal realm with little powerplay time is not impressive.

 

[Flying Dego]

I mean, that doesn't change the fact that POJ being in the 5 goal realm with little powerplay time is not impressive.

POJ has a nice offensive knack and he's very speedy. I hope we continue along with him...

Though if I were to guess I'd say Ruh hangs out longer here

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I mean, that doesn't change the fact that POJ being in the 5 goal realm with little powerplay time is not impressive.

I think you're focusing on POJ and ignoring me literally saying "this isn't about POJ" but more so about our perception of what constitutes impressive numbers from a defenseman because we're so used to the Dumoulins and Petterssons of the world scoring 1 goal or less per year.

You're literally doing the thing I added the disclaimer to avoid. Which is focusing on the individual player and not the overall point about 5 goals from a defenseman not being all that impressive, yet us thinking it is because it's outside the norm of any defenseman we have other than Letang.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think you're focusing on POJ and ignoring me literally saying "this isn't about POJ" but more so about our perception of what constitutes impressive numbers from a defenseman because we're so used to the Dumoulins and Petterssons of the world scoring 1 goal or less per year.

You're literally doing the thing I added the disclaimer to avoid. Which is focusing on the individual player and not the overall point about 5 goals from a defenseman not being all that impressive, yet us thinking it is because it's outside the norm of any defenseman we have other than Letang.

You said "But it's funny that we consider 5 goals from a defenseman to be somewhat impressive.".

Doing that is impressive.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I think you're focusing on POJ and ignoring me literally saying "this isn't about POJ" but more so about our perception of what constitutes impressive numbers from a defenseman because we're so used to the Dumoulins and Petterssons of the world scoring 1 goal or less per year.

You're literally doing the thing I added the disclaimer to avoid. Which is focusing on the individual player and not the overall point about 5 goals from a defenseman not being all that impressive, yet us thinking it is because it's outside the norm of any defenseman we have other than Letang.

While we aren't talking about it in this thread, it blows my mind that Sully institutes this type of offensive zone presence (working off the cycle from low to high to get a point shot that hopefully gets tipped or a scramble). We have dmen who can't seem to get a damn dangerous point shot even through the mess in front. Another mismatch of personnel/scheme

 

[Gurglesons]

While we aren't talking about it in this thread, it blows my mind that Sully institutes this type of offensive zone presence (working off the cycle from low to high to get a point shot that hopefully gets tipped or a scramble). We have dmen who can't seem to get a damn dangerous point shot even through the mess in front. Another mismatch of personnel/scheme

And Sullivan would be scratching POJ for Kulikov if we had a healthy roster.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

I mean, that doesn't change the fact that POJ being in the 5 goal realm with little powerplay time is not impressive.

Yeah. 94 defensemen have 5 or more goals this year. Petry, POJ and Letang are the Penguins on the list.

Of those 94, only three average less ice time per game than POJ.

If 94 defensemen have five goals, that's about 3 per team. So the Penguins are pretty much average, there. Could they get more from the defense? Sure. But that might have more to do with the other defensemen and not Letang, Petry and POJ.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

You guys are making this far more difficult than it is by refusing to look up stats before typing.

So Joseph is 47th out of the 148 D-men who played 60+ games this year at 5v5 goals P/60.
In terms of the power play, he's 23rd out of 148. Doesn't really mean much, since he only averages 55 seconds of PP time per game.

But yeah, there you have it. If you're looking for more goals from the defense then it has to be done collectively, since they're hard to come by.

What Team Has The Most Goals From Defensemen | StatMuse

The Montreal Canadiens have put up the most goals by a team this season, with 20 scored.

www.statmuse.com

We're 27th in the league at goals from D-men. So it's definitely a problem. That being said, Joseph is not the problem there. Should be looking at Petts, Dumo and Chad, who have 3 goals in 190 games collectively.

 

[The Old Master]

1 point ahead of the Panthers.

1 point behind the Islanders.

Suck it haters.

2 0ver nas.
5 over buff.
6 over ottawa. we got our work cut out for us.
but i'm sure that they will screw that up too.