Post-Game Talk: Pens vs. Caps, 4-1. Jarry, get ready to learn Arizonan, buddy!

[Malkinstheman]

Look at the difference in records. Another case of Sullivan shooting the team in the foot for no reason. Why was Jarry given so much rope when we know hes awful after the all star break

 

[IcedCapp]

I could see Jarry being movable when he's compared against the other options on the UFA market. He's struggled in the second half, but for his career he's a .909 to .921 starter.

Getting a first for him probably only happens if a Campbell or Korpisalo is coming the other way though. However, if we thought a guy like him was going to rebound to historical performance after a down year we'd be talking about that guy as a potential replacement for Jarry. I bet there are GMs out there that think Jarry will bounce back.

Jarry is moveable. I think every NHL player is, really, it just comes down to having the will to accept the kind of deal it takes to move them.

Now, I don't think Jarry will be viewed as a negative contract, they won't have to add to move him, but they'd have to be willing to accept something like a 3rd or a 4th while having no clear goalie who's shown they can handle 50+ games a year on the roster.

Further, isn't Ned a UFA? If he wills the Penguins into the playoffs, I find it hard to believe teams would take Jarry instead of going after Ned and either getting a cheaper+better (or at the very worst equivalent player) or hamstringing the Penguins by forcing them into a bidding war.

 

[Gurglesons]

Jarry is moveable. I think every NHL player is, really, it just comes down to having the will to accept the kind of deal it takes to move them.

Now, I don't think Jarry will be viewed as a negative contract, they won't have to add to move him, but they'd have to be willing to accept something like a 3rd or a 4th while having no clear goalie who's shown they can handle 50+ games a year on the roster.

Further, isn't Ned a UFA? If he wills the Penguins into the playoffs, I find it hard to believe teams would take Jarry instead of going after Ned and either getting a cheaper+better (or at the very worst equivalent player) or hamstringing the Penguins by forcing them into a bidding war.

Lyon did the same thing for Florida last year and got nothing.

 

[BusinessGoose]

I mean, Jarry's SV% and GAA are both skewed with his big handful of shutouts

Its like he let's in 1 or 5, not 3 every game

 

[IcedCapp]

Lyon did the same thing for Florida last year and got nothing.

that's good then, it's better for the Penguins. I still don't see Jarry fetching anything close to a great return, and since no one in the system is close to ready to starting in the NHL, i don't think they'll move him and try to find a 1b in the UFA market

 

[Icarium]

Jarry will be back against the Bolts and will score again.



In his own net.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Jarry is moveable. I think every NHL player is, really, it just comes down to having the will to accept the kind of deal it takes to move them.

Now, I don't think Jarry will be viewed as a negative contract, they won't have to add to move him, but they'd have to be willing to accept something like a 3rd or a 4th while having no clear goalie who's shown they can handle 50+ games a year on the roster.

Further, isn't Ned a UFA? If he wills the Penguins into the playoffs, I find it hard to believe teams would take Jarry instead of going after Ned and either getting a cheaper+better (or at the very worst equivalent player) or hamstringing the Penguins by forcing them into a bidding war.

The Pens don't have to wait until July 1st to sign, Ned. They have first crack at him.

 

[IcedCapp]

The Pens don't have to wait until July 1st to sign, Ned. They have first crack at him.

It’s a wonder that any teams ever lose players in free agency

 

[Gurglesons]

that's good then, it's better for the Penguins. I still don't see Jarry fetching anything close to a great return, and since no one in the system is close to ready to starting in the NHL, i don't think they'll move him and try to find a 1b in the UFA market

I think you could do a bad contract swap for a team that needs a goalie. The issue is I'm not sure who it would be.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

And this is precisely why it was a mistake to sign Jarry. You can get equal (or better) performance out of a guy you sign as a FA for much less money and term.

Jarry's being paid (particularly the term) like a bonafide starter when he performs more like a high end backup.

 

[IcedCapp]

I think you could do a bad contract swap for a team that needs a goalie. The issue is I'm not sure who it would be.

Or even which position. We already want out of some of our contracts at D and bottom-6. Not sure we want to add a questionable 4-5Mil to either of those positions

 

[66-30-33]

if we make the playoffs, i don't see how Crosby doesn't lobby hard for this and why Guentzel wouldn't listen

Depends on how much $$$ Jake wants.

 

[BusinessGoose]

Like, it would be cool to have a stud as hell starting goaltender for $8mil rather than hoping FA guys can cover you

But those are rare. And jarry also isn't that. So, if you're in a situation where that's the case, it's not smart to invest in jarry, a guy who is not going to push you over the top any better than random FA guy(s)

 

[Gurglesons]

Or even which position. We already want out of some of our contracts at D and bottom-6. Not sure we want to add a questionable 4-5Mil to either of those positions

I would gladly move Jarry to add a questionable 4 million dollar winger or D.

 

[66-30-33]

Jarry will be back against the Bolts and will score again.



In his own net.

He better not be, you ride Ned until he falters. If Jarry/Sully can't understand that they are not good team players.

 

[Ugene Magic]

It’s a wonder that any teams ever lose players in free agency

Depends on what that player is looking for. He's still gonna be looked at as a backup and not a 1A. His sample size will be brought up and he'll be lucky to get a 2/3 year 2.5/3.0 contract.

Let's remember he wasn't doing all that much better, and finally when the team gives a crap he's doing well/better.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Like, it would be cool to have a stud as hell starting goaltender for $8mil rather than hoping FA guys can cover you

But those are rare. And jarry also isn't that. So, if you're in a situation where that's the case, it's not smart to invest in jarry, a guy who is not going to push you over the top any better than random FA guy(s)

This also isn't a Jarry problem, this is a league wide problem. The league is getting faster league wide while dropping down defensively pushing north so much with defensive players pinching ever more.

Goalies are propped up by the depth of their team. Very few teams are deep like the Pens were in 2016/2017, and even then, they had bad games where the scoring depth pulled them through.

The Pens simply don't have the depth to hide the eye test. Eventually, that pressure will catch up to Ned even because, giving up 20 high danger chances regularly takes a toll even on the best of the best goaltenders.

 

[Gurglesons]

This also isn't a Jarry problem, this is a league wide problem. The league is getting faster league wide while dropping down defensively pushing north so much with defensive players pinching ever more.

Goalies are propped up by the depth of their team. Very few teams are deep like the Pens were in 2016/2017, and even then, they had bad games where the scoring depth pulled them through.

The Pens simply don't have the depth to hide the eye test. Eventually, that pressure will catch up to Ned even because, giving up 20 high danger chances regularly takes a toll even on the best of the best goaltenders.

Nah. Jarry just sucks.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Another case of Sullivan shooting the team in the foot for no reason.

Why was Jarry given so much rope when we know hes awful after the all star break

You answered your own question.

 

[pistolpete11]

Do I need to start paying attention again?

 

[IcedCapp]

Nah. Jarry just sucks.

these conversations are pointless. There are just some people who refuse to ever blame the goalie for the puck entering the net. You can point to other teams with the same deficiencies and "worse" goalies but better numbers, doesn't matter. You can point to different goalies playing ON THIS TEAM with better numbers, doesn't matter. There are some people who just refuse to accept that Tristan Jarry's job in the NHL is to prevent the puck from going into the net.

Tristan Jarry's job, according to these people, is specifically "to save the pucks which he saved, and to be absolved of blame (for reasons that defy logic) for any and all pucks that he successfully did not save"

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

He better not be, you ride Ned until he falters. If Jarry/Sully can't understand that they are not good team players.

I'd be curious to see Ned's career stats for the most amount of consecutive games started. That might still be the move, but I'm honestly not even sure the last time a goalie for any team started 3 of 4 in the RS (which he just did). Again, would be interesting to see for comparison's sake.

 

[BusinessGoose]

This also isn't a Jarry problem, this is a league wide problem. The league is getting faster league wide while dropping down defensively pushing north so much with defensive players pinching ever more.

Goalies are propped up by the depth of their team. Very few teams are deep like the Pens were in 2016/2017, and even then, they had bad games where the scoring depth pulled them through.

The Pens simply don't have the depth to hide the eye test. Eventually, that pressure will catch up to Ned even because, giving up 20 high danger chances regularly takes a toll even on the best of the best goaltenders.

That's fine, but if that's the case, what's the justification for a 5x5? When a 2x1 3x2, etc would flounder the same behind our wilted team?

Name recognition for five years in a highly visible position to sell jerseys and milkshake advertising opportunities?

 

[Icarium]

The next game is an afternoon one and Ned has already played 3 in 4 nights. As much as I don't like rolling the dice with Jarry in April, Ned will need a breather very soon.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

The resurgence is gonna make the inevitable falling just short of the finish line that much more hilarious. The Bills fan in me can't wait--feels like home.