Gurglesons
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I think this is an easy way to look at what we gave top and what added in terms of points and some fancy stats.
I don't really understand why everyone in the media is so down on the impact "this year".
I'll take attitude issues at that price. Hell, maybe this team needs more pissed off players on the bench. He defends well anyway. No problem there.I don't think Yzerman is treating him like a pariah just because he has a drinking problem. Most NHL'ers are bordering on having drinking problems. There is something there that made Yzerman feel the need to cut bait right now for not even nothing, but at the expense of his cap.
@DocEmrickSkitters true on POJ. At the same time, at least he wasn’t traded, and he should be a lock for next season.
It also wouldn’t have been serious for Ruh to be our 7th.
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I think this is an easy way to look at what we gave top and what added in terms of points and some fancy stats.
I don't really understand why everyone in the media is so down on the impact "this year".
I don't think it's attitude, as in is kinda douchey and immature ala James Neal. And Detroit has rehabbed players before. Yzerman won Cups with raging alcoholics and drug abusers. It's either there are serious doubts that he will be able to play at a professional level due to his issues, or something else that basically the whole league agreed was a big problem. I hope he succeeds because he's a really talented player and a really young guy still - but yea.I'll take attitude issues at that price. Hell, maybe this team needs more pissed off players on the bench. He defends well anyway. No problem there.
Sigh, I dunno. We just let a good finisher go when that's our #1 problem... Coulda played with Malkin next year...
I'm so annoyed that we passed on Vrana at 50% retained for 3 years. 2.625 mil.
His career 5v5 P60 is a tiny bit shy of Guentzel, a known great 5v5 producer.
Alcoholism or not, how do you not roll that dice? How do you go for 5 mil for Granlund (1.65 career rate) instead...
Vrana gets a much better ratio of goals too.
That's less than we paid for McGinn! Could have saved the pick too! Blues paid a 7th! f***!
Would much rather have Sundqvist and Greenway than Bonino and Granlund. Practically the same cap hit and the same asset cost.View attachment 662728
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I think this is an easy way to look at what we gave top and what added in terms of points and some fancy stats.
I don't really understand why everyone in the media is so down on the impact "this year".
Would much rather have Sundqvist and Greenway than Bonino and Granlund. Practically the same cap hit and the same asset cost.
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I like Greenway, but he doesn't add what we need in the bottom six outside of size.
Sundqvist is someone I've always liked, but I dunno. Both seem like bigger versions of what we had in Kappy and Mcginn.
I think their collective size gives the Penguins something they severely lack for the playoffs, especially since both are willing to use it. Neither is slow, either, and I'm concerned about Bonino's ability to play at a playoff pace after all these years.
Plus, as I noted earlier, instead of picking up Kulikov, they could have thrown in Vrana or someone else for a similar cap hit and really bolstered the options at forward.
I understand what you're saying in terms of the value of Kapanen-Blueger-McGinn. And I see the improved value in Granlund-Bonino compared to the terrible trio, but it still feels like a massive missed opportunity given how many other players were actually moved.
Greenway and Sundqvist coulda been ok but I like Bonino's vision more. Team has lacked guys who can actually pass well in the bottom six for a long time and that's not either of those guys.
Yes, saw this…lol
https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/2023-nhl ... ers-losers
Loser: Pittsburgh Penguins
Ron Hextall certainly made moves at the trade deadline, but not the ones fans wanted him to make. At the deadline, the Penguins acquired Dmitry Kulikov, Nick Bonino, and Mikael Granlund, all fringe players over 30 who expect to bring very little to the table compared to what the team needs. Kulikov seems to be the only player with upside, helped by the fact that Pittsburgh also got out from under Brock McGinn’s bad contract with the deal.
The Penguins have been playing better as of late, but for awhile they were looking incredibly tragic. Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin are having absolutely stellar seasons and there are only so many years left of this Penguins core before they’re set to ride off into the sunset. Instead of swinging for the fences on a deal — the Penguins were in on J.T. Miller but talks cooled off — Hextall didn’t add much of value as his team sits in a precarious wild card spot.
If you’re a Penguins fan, it’s hard to be happy with what management cooked up at the deadline compared to the deals other teams made.
Hopefully with their combined brain power they can manage the puck in the final 5 minutes of periods.People say Hextall doesn't have a vision, but his entire tenure he's been stripping this team of low IQ players for cerebral ones.
Matheson, Kapanen, McCann, Tanev etc. out.
McGinn, Petry, Granlund, Carter etc. in.
Will it work? I doubt it. But there is that one line across the board in what we acquire and focus on.
You’re talking about the team that traded Despres because he played poker a bit too much lolI'm so annoyed that we passed on Vrana at 50% retained for 3 years. 2.625 mil.
His career 5v5 P60 is a tiny bit shy of Guentzel, a known great 5v5 producer.
Alcoholism or not, how do you not roll that dice? How do you go for 5 mil for Granlund (1.65 career rate) instead...
Vrana gets a much better ratio of goals too.
That's less than we paid for McGinn! Could have saved the pick too! Blues paid a 7th! f***!
Hopefully with their combined brain power they can manage the puck in the final 5 minutes of periods.
I was happy with our deadline. We didn't squander any first round picks and we made the team incrementally better. You have to understand this team was not going to win a Stanley Cup.Props to Ron the builder for getting older and slower. I don’t want this guy near a rebuild.
I go through hopeless romantic phases. Like if we can just get a random lineup to spark.I was happy with our deadline. We didn't squander any first round picks and we made the team incrementally better. You have to understand this team was not going to win a Stanley Cup.
They convinced themselves that the Penguins needed to make a Big Splash to keep up with the Joneses in the Conference instead of actually addressing the team's needs.I don't really understand why everyone in the media is so down on the impact "this year".
Not swapping out Dumo and getting Chychrun is my only big downer. But it seems they would of chose OTT no matter what.They convinced themselves that the Penguins needed to make a Big Splash to keep up with the Joneses in the Conference instead of actually addressing the team's needs.
And don't get me wrong, I'd have been happy with Miller if he came cheap. He could've been the Kessel-like addition to get us over the hump. But he might not have been, since he's not what we actually need at this point in the season.