Salary Cap: Pens Salary Thread: Stretch run to the playoffs "So it begins"

[bigdaddyk88]

I was happy with our deadline. We didn't squander any first round picks and we made the team incrementally better. You have to understand this team was not going to win a Stanley Cup.

Which is why i am baffled Dumo wasn’t moved for any type of draft capital.

 

[Pens x]

Yea, not trading Dumo was odd. He’s played better as of late, so he might actually have value. Hopefully, our lazy POS front office is canned immediately so that the team won’t re-sign him.

 

[HandshakeLine]

realistically we all get that Dumoulin is going to be signed, yes?

 

[The Old Master]

It can, and has, worked in the past. With the Pens even. But those players played fast. They both skated with speed and could move the puck with quick accurate passes and skating the puck out of their zone.

37 year olds ain't fast.

someone needs to be the trailer.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

“The moves now are so much more complex than they were 10 years ago, with the third-team brokers and (retaining) salary,” Hextall said. “It’s a complex world out there. … You try to do the best you can do, with all the constraints we have.”

These comments are infuriating. Every single GM has to negotiate this "complex world". That's the job. Other GMs are just doing it better than you.

What constraints are you talking about? The shitty deals you hamstrung yourself with, or your stubborn refusal to deal high picks for good players simply because they're UFAs, so you settle for mediocre players with term? All of your constraints are self-imposed, pal.

 

[The Old Master]

realistically we all get that Dumoulin is going to be signed, yes?

that would be the only reason not to move him.

 

[Pens x]

These comments are infuriating. Every single GM has to negotiate this "complex world". That's the job. Other GMs are just doing it better than you.

What constraints are you talking about? The shitty deals you hamstrung yourself with, or your stubborn refusal to deal high picks for good players simply because they're UFAs, so you settle for mediocre players with term? All of your constraints are self-imposed, pal.

You finally see the light when it comes to sleepy. Welcome to reality. Hopefully, the rest of the fans wake up soon.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

that would be the only reason not to move him.

Or they decided to give him one last hurrah with the core before he goes off to another team.
Or nobody made an offer, or made one that was worth accepting.

 

[The Old Master]

Or they decided to give him one last hurrah with the core before he goes off to another team.
Or nobody made an offer, or made one that was worth accepting.

the first would just be dumb.
i could see the 2nd being the reason.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

the first would just be dumb.

Nah. Locker room cohesion is an important part of winning in team sports.

 

[TooManyHumans]

These comments are infuriating. Every single GM has to negotiate this "complex world". That's the job. Other GMs are just doing it better than you.

What constraints are you talking about? The shitty deals you hamstrung yourself with, or your stubborn refusal to deal high picks for good players simply because they're UFAs, so you settle for mediocre players with term? All of your constraints are self-imposed, pal.

Every GM makes these BS statements. They all whine about how hard it is to make trades because of the cap. Oh, waah. Your job is difficult so you can't do it? Give me a break. Bunch of freaking whiny babies the GMs are, and they are the ones in control of all the rules. Just shut up and do the job you are way overcompensated financially for doing.

 

[chethejet]

How many 24 year old defensmen can skate shoot and are 6-2 and 220 and can make a material difference in the back end. Hextall unlike GMJR just isn't aggressive enough to build a cup winner. You need talent to win, not just a couple older depth guys or smaller declining players who are not playing up to the contract first signed. Plus you take on two years at 10 million when you could have had younger better player for the next two years at a lower AAV. It is what Hextall failed to do is where the Pens chances faded.

 

[Ugene Magic]

 

[Rave7215]

Which is why i am baffled Dumo wasn’t moved for any type of draft capital.

Dumo is a well respected veteran and a leader in the locker room. The Pens don't trade their respected UFAs when making a run. There was zero chance Dumo was being traded, as much as we all wanted

 

[Andy99]

Dumo is a well respected veteran and a leader in the locker room. The Pens don't trade their respected UFAs when making a run. There was zero chance Dumo was being traded, as much as we all wanted

Same reason there’s little chance he’s not playing if healthy lol

 

[Pens x]

The national media seems to all feel we were one of the losers of the deadline, or at least the first three articles I read had us as a loser.

 

[molon labe]

Yea, not trading Dumo was odd. He’s played better as of late, so he might actually have value. Hopefully, our lazy POS front office is canned immediately so that the team won’t re-sign him.

Honestly depends on the cost. Can't say we would be super pissed about Dumo staying here - afterall he's like, a solid dude, liked by his peers - but now plays like a tweener bottom pair/mid pair. If he stays for like 2-2.5M I think that's a win, personally. Be nice to have some stability on the bottom pair, and rotate Petts/POJ on pairs 1 and 2 - assuming they both keep stepping forward.

 

[BusinessGoose]

How many 24 year old defensmen can skate shoot and are 6-2 and 220 and can make a material difference in the back end. Hextall unlike GMJR just isn't aggressive enough to build a cup winner. You need talent to win, not just a couple older depth guys or smaller declining players who are not playing up to the contract first signed. Plus you take on two years at 10 million when you could have had younger better player for the next two years at a lower AAV. It is what Hextall failed to do is where the Pens chances faded.

We don't know what the real cost was or who really said no. But keep up the anger and emotion. It'll help in playoffs.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

You finally see the light when it comes to sleepy. Welcome to reality. Hopefully, the rest of the fans wake up soon.

I don't pre-judge. This was the moment he needed to act and he failed.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

realistically we all get that Dumoulin is going to be signed, yes?

No he can’t skate anymore this country club ride is over. They need youth infusion

 

[Pens x]

No he can’t skate anymore this country club ride is over. They need youth infusion

He will absolutely be back if Burke and Hextall are still here, driving the train off a cliff.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

He will absolutely be back if Burke and Hextall are still here, driving the train off a cliff.

I was hoping for a moneyball type of deadline trading all the old guys forcing Sullivan to play youth instead they got older. Serving 2 masters just to lose in round 1 sucks but the playoff streak lives on. They have 20 million to spend this summer i don’t want to think about the old guys he will bring in

 

[Empoleon8771]

Getting mad at Hextall for not pulling off the Chychrun trade is stupid. You can't force another team to make a trade. Arizona went with Ottawa's offer because they wanted as high of a 1st round pick as they could get plus they didn't need to take back any money with Ottawa's offer.

Look at this package that LA offered for Chychrun according to Pagnotta:



This is insanely better than what Arizona took from Ottawa. Bjornfot was a 2019 1st rounder who has a lot of NHL experience and they offered 2 1sts in addition to that. That still wasn't enough for Arizona to go with their offer over what they believed to be their best chance at a high 1st.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Like I said in Cole's poll thread, I think the pieces we brought in are an upgrade over the pieces we sent out. The problem is I don't think they're a big enough improvement over what we needed for it to make much of a noticeable difference.

This roster, IMO, needed to bring in impact players up front and on defense and instead it brought in better complimentary players than we currently had. We went from being a 5 out of 10 team to a 5.5 or 6 out of 10 team, when what we needed were moves that would turn us into a 8 out of 10 team or above in order to compete.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Getting mad at Hextall for not pulling off the Chychrun trade is stupid. You can't force another team to make a trade. Arizona went with Ottawa's offer because they wanted as high of a 1st round pick as they could get plus they didn't need to take back any money with Ottawa's offer.

Look at this package that LA offered for Chychrun according to Pagnotta:



This is insanely better than what Arizona took from Ottawa. Bjornfot was a 2019 1st rounder who has a lot of NHL experience and they offered 2 1sts in addition to that. That still wasn't enough for Arizona to go with their offer over what they believed to be their best chance at a high 1st.

They passed up 3 first round picks essentially for a slightly better pick (STBD) another 1st and a 2nd 2026 which all could be moot by the time they pick any of them.

They could have had immediate returns from LA and Pens and could have just asked for more had they had to take back a contract. Most likely an expiring one.

Those two offers are probably the better offers than Ottawa's when the dust settles.

They are complete idiots.