Salary Cap: Pens Salary Cap Thread: Feb 26th, the deadline day warmup

[3ladesof5teel]

I'll say this in Pixie's defense: It's a lot to give up, but Tampa giving that up is different from say us giving that up. I'd be pissed if Hextall gave up that haul for Jeannot because we aren't one player away.

Tampa though? They might be one player away. They're still in the prime of their contending window. It'd be like if we made this trade in 2016 or something.

He absolutely just makes their bottom 6 heavy and extremely difficult to play against and their top 6 is already set.

I get why they did it I just feel like they could have did a 1st and a 2nd or a 1st and a prospect at the most. (I know the later picks don't mean much) but they are assets to move contracts/fill injuries etc. They basically used everything.

I'm a sure they overpaid now to stay out of a bidding war b/c teams would have definitely went after him. They don't make many like the OX

 

[Jobeycool]

They pretty much going all in again. Worth it if they get another cup.

The stinky Pens just whooped their butts... lol ... I'm wondering is this real life...

 

[Gurglesons]

Tampa didn't win cups primarily because of their deadline guys. They won cups primarily because they have elite players at every position. An overpay is still an overpay whether you win with it or not. You just don't care when you win.

They won cups because they added the Coleman - Gourde - Goodrow line.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Can’t love to revisit this take in June.

The Lightning can still win a cup while that trade is shit fyi. Just like the Despres for Lovejoy trade was shit despite the Penguins winning the cup.

 

[66-30-33]

Can’t love to revisit this take in June.

Toronto will beat them in round 1 don't worry.

 

[metalan2]

What in the world is that haul for Jeannot? I mean he could be the missing piece that helps them win the cup, so it'd be worth it, but damn. That's nearly the Timo Meier haul.

 

[Pancakes]

I don't quite agree, winning a cup would be how you justify that shit trade. It's a shit trade regardless, you just hope you win to make up for it. Same kind of situation the Despres for Lovejoy trade was.

Sure, but does anyone care about any shit trades JR made during our b2b cups now? Nobody does I imagine.

If you're in your contending window and you need an element, it's fine to overpay for said element. Tampa understands that. JR did too.

You just reallllly gotta recognize when you're not in that window any more and stop doing dumb shit. JR never got that part.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Partially yes. Hes not a rental and most likely be a reasonable new contract. Over you need cheap prospects to fill your roster. Tampa just gutted their draft for the foreseeable future on a 3rd liner.

You kind of do, but if you have a $2.5M guy providing you $5-6M value that is worth a lot.

You can sign your 4th liners and such off the scrap heap if you need to.

I will say this does match Tampa's pattern of identifying talents on below-market contracts with some sandpaper and paying a premium for them. Coleman. Paul. Hagel. Elite cheap role players. I kinda dig it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Sure, but does anyone care about any shit trades JR made during our b2b cups now? Nobody does I imagine.

If you're in your contending window and you need an element, it's fine to overpay for said element. Tampa understands that. JR did too.

You just reallllly gotta recognize when you're not in that window any more and stop doing dumb shit. JR never got that part.

You're right nobody cares, but you can still call a spade a spade while admitting you're fine with how things turned out. And it's entirely dependent on the team winning for you to not care about a bad trade being a bad trade.

 

[Turin]

They won cups because they added the Coleman - Gourde - Goodrow line.

This line of thinking is dumb. They won Cups because they had Kucherov, Hedman, Point, Stamkos and Vasilevsky WITH a good supporting cast. They also played a fake season and ran into some serious pretenders who should have never been their opponents in the final, but that's another story. Pittsburgh didn't win in 2009 because they had Kunitz and Guerin. And if they paid a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and more for Kunitz it woulda been outrageous even if they won.

 

[Pancakes]

You're right nobody cares, but you can still call a spade a spade while admitting you're fine with how things turned out. And it's entirely dependent on the team winning for you to not care about a bad trade being a bad trade.

I mean it also depends what impact Jeannot has too. Lovejoy wasn't some key element in the cup runs. But he did contribute, so overpay or not he helped.

Jeannot might have a higher impact. Who knows. We'll see how it plays out.

 

[Jobeycool]

He absolutely just makes their bottom 6 heavy and extremely difficult to play against and their top 6 is already set.

I get why they did it I just feel like they could have did a 1st and a 2nd or a 1st and a prospect at the most. (I know the later picks don't mean much) but they are assets to move contracts/fill injuries etc. They basically used everything.

I'm a sure they overpaid now to stay out of a bidding war b/c teams would have definitely went after him. They don't make many like the OX

They could have got Barbashev for much cheaper...lol

 

[BusinessGoose]

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[metalan2]

This line of thinking is dumb. They won Cups because they had Kucherov, Hedman, Point, Stamkos and Vasilevsky WITH a good supporting cast. They also played a fake season and ran into some serious pretenders who should have never been their opponents in the final, but that's another story. Pittsburgh didn't win in 2009 because they had Kunitz and Guerin. And if they paid a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and more for Kunitz it woulda been outrageous even if they won.

I'm of the mind that they wouldn't have sniffed either cup without Vasilevsky. He would make this current penguin team a serious contender. He's the single most important lightning player.

 

[Turin]

I'm of the mind that they wouldn't have sniffed either cup without Vasilevsky. He would make this current penguin team a serious contender. He's the single most important lightning player.

They wouldn't have. Their b2b was a farce. And good for them that they get to ride that out, but it doesn't make their spending habits not-overpays.

 

[Zirakzigil]

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Yeah, I am right. Dont need to point out youre all wrong though.

Friday is going to be a boring day after all of this.

 

[Gurglesons]

This line of thinking is dumb. They won Cups because they had Kucherov, Hedman, Point, Stamkos and Vasilevsky WITH a good supporting cast. They also played a fake season and ran into some serious pretenders who should have never been their opponents in the final, but that's another story. Pittsburgh didn't win in 2009 because they had Kunitz and Guerin. And if they paid a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and more for Kunitz it woulda been outrageous even if they won.

They had that core for basically 5 years before winning sans Point.

 

[Ugene Magic]

You got to feel he is Killorn's replacement.

 

[Turin]

They had that core for basically 5 years before winning sans Point.

And Point is like a #1 C, and Kucherov and Vasilevsky weren't in their peaks until around 2019.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Trotz is probably like "What the f***, Dave? On your way out? Really?"

I mean, I like Jeannot, but that seems wild. The prospect is meh, and the 4th and 5th are throw-ins, but I'd still really hesitate to spend a 1st + 2nd + 3rd to roll the dice on Jeannot when there's like a 50/50 shot his rookie season where he shot at 20% was an anomaly and he's actually closer to an absolute plug.

I didn't think Hextall would be in on anybody but if these deals sorta set the market then whew, gonna be a boring one for Pens fans. I still think they should sell Zucker and Dumo. Two expiring contracts for guys who don't do enough to move the needle this season to keep, and sure as shit don't make sense to re-sign. Could probably land some nice assets, move Ty Smith up full-time and promote somebody like Poehlling, DOC, or Puustinen to see what they have in a middle-6 role for the rest of the year. Don't really see a downside to that approach, but it's probably too ambitious for this team to give it a shot.

 

[Zirakzigil]

New threads up for the TDL, since teams seemed to have kicked it off today. Sticky so they are easy to find. Please keep the Pens talk to the Pens thread and the NHL talk to the NHL thread.