JimmyTwoTimes
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If Bonino leaves, JR will trade for another 3C. Thornton will get a 3-4 year deal somewhere. Or take less to go somewhere where he can win. But it won't be here if we win it all this year.
Wonder if there would be a way to pry Cogliano out of Anaheim.
It depend on where you put Murray in all of this, he has played like a top 10 goalie all season long and in the playoffs he was a top 5. He's only 22yrs old and signed to a good deal, there are a lot of teams that were done in because of terrible goaltending this year with teams like the Flames, Flyers, Jets, etc etc...
It's not a tough decision at all. Goalies don't typically bring the market value you'd hope for, and especially not when everyone knows we need to get rid of one of our goalies. That kills both Maf and Murray's value.
So...you go with the young goalie. It's lunacy to want the goalie in his 30s over the one in his early 20s, especially when by every objective metric the young goalie has outperformed the older one.
Maf is having a hell of a run and I'm proud of him, but 8 strong games don't suddenly make him more valuable than Murray to this franchise.
Cam Talbot was traded for the 57th, 79th and 180 something pick.
Martin Jones was traded for a late 1st round pick.
Ben Bishop barely netted any decent player.
Scott Darling's rights for a 3rd rounder
Frederick Anderson was traded for a 1st round pick (pens' 30th overall) and a second round pick
The goalie market is not very lucrative. I think the best we could get is a mid 1st rounder. I know I know, Murray won a cup. But his injury problems might negate his Stanley Cup run.
If Bonino costs too much then I want to see us go for Thornton on a 1 year deal.
Just an FYI, MAF outplayed him the latter 1/3rd of the season.
I'd kick tires on him regardless. But that's entirely on him and whether he wants to try to come here solely to win a cup, or if he's willing to keep "going at it" in SJ and to try and win a cup with "his" team where he's been for the last decade - or go elsewhere and play on perhaps a good team and receive a good contract for it. But there's no chance I'd give him a 2 year deal. He's slow to begin with, is damn close to 40, and had some serious knee injuries at the end of the season.
For me it's not a matter of who's better or not, because I really do not think that the difference is that great.
That said, it's just the age thing. Murray is young enough that he will be here throughout the prime of Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Kessel's careers. MAF could be, but I'd really question anyone who thinks that MAF could be as good as he has been the last few years for another 5+ years. So unless someone is offering something completely over the top, I'd pass and just move on from MAF.
No he didn't.
Fleury in the last 28 games: .925 save in 9 games
Murray in the last 28 games: .926 save% in 19 games
Rebuild this D please. Keep everyone but Letang and Schultz, work on the rest. If we have to work on it over the next few years? so be it, especially if we win the cup this year for back to back cups. Make the D work with the forwards and make them fast.
Rebuild this D please. Keep everyone but Letang and Schultz, work on the rest. If we have to work on it over the next few years? so be it, especially if we win the cup this year for back to back cups. Make the D work with the forwards and make them fast.
The D is fine if it stays healthy.
Ideally, JR can get a middle 6 beef up to survive a Letang or Schultz going down better.
Rebuild this D please. Keep everyone but Letang and Schultz, work on the rest. If we have to work on it over the next few years? so be it, especially if we win the cup this year for back to back cups. Make the D work with the forwards and make them fast.
Not sure what you're looking at, but you're wrong.
On Feb 15th there were 27 games left for the end of the season - which is exactly 1/3rd (well 27.33 so close enough). MAF started 8, Murray started 18 and Jarry started 1.
MAF: 4-3-2, .925%, 2.58 GAA
Murray: 11-4-2, .920%, 2.64 GAA
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...=2017-05-07&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,&sort=wins
Not sure what you're looking at, but you're wrong.
On Feb 15th there were 27 games left for the end of the season - which is exactly 1/3rd (well 27.33 so close enough). MAF started 8, Murray started 18 and Jarry started 1.
MAF: 4-3-2, .925%, 2.58 GAA
Murray: 11-4-2, .920%, 2.64 GAA
http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?agg...=2017-05-07&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,&sort=wins
WTF would they get rid of Letang and Shultz?
Hypothetical: what (realistic) return would it take for us to trade Murray instead of MAF?
I'm confused what you are arguing here...
Those numbers show me that Murray played better than MAF. The sv % and gaa aren't that big of a gap, while the win percentage is significantly in Murray's favor.