Proposal: Penguins deadline retool (Detroit, New Jersey and Edmonton)

[Empoleon8771]

Trade 1:

Penguins trade Guentzel (retain 50%)
Wings trade Berggren, Buium and a 2024 1st

The Penguins get a young NHL ready winger, a good B level D prospect and a 1st likely around 20th overall. Wings get a top line rental LWer.

Trade 2:

Penguins trade Pettersson
Devils trade Bahl, Hameenaho and a 2025 2nd

Similar to the Wings trade, the Penguins get a young NHL ready defenseman, a good B level RW prospect and a 2025 2nd to close out the value. New Jersey gets a borderline 1st/2nd pair LD signed for this year and next year. I would have preferred a 2024 2nd but New Jersey already traded that pick.

Trade 3:

Penguins trade Smith (retain 50%) and Nedjelkovic
Oilers trade their 2024 2nd and 2025 3rd

The Oilers get a good middle-6 winger at $2.5 million for this year and next year along with a good backup goalie option for Skinner. Penguins get some additional draft picks.

Thoughts on these deals?

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[TheImpatientPanther]

Can the Pens actually trade Guentzel if he's injured past the deadline?
Keep hearing he's out 3 weeks and if my shit math is correct, that's past March 8th

 

[Empoleon8771]

Can the Pens actually trade Guentzel if he's injured past the deadline?
Keep hearing he's out 3 weeks and if my shit math is correct, that's past March 8th

Yes. Vegas traded for Eichel before he got his experimental neck surgery and Buffalo traded for Kane before he got season ending shoulder surgery.

It's not like the NFL or MLB where you can't trade injured players.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Yes. Vegas traded for Eichel before he got his experimental neck surgery and Buffalo traded for Kane before he got season ending shoulder surgery.

It's not like the NFL or MLB where you can't trade injured players.

Cool. Thanks.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Don't see the wings going for any rentals.

 

[RRhoads]

Can the Pens actually trade Guentzel if he's injured past the deadline?
Keep hearing he's out 3 weeks and if my shit math is correct, that's past March 8th

Plenty of injured players have been traded, especially to Arizona.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Plenty of injured players have been traded, especially to Arizona.

Ok i guess i was confusing LTIR acquired players then.

 

[GAGLine]

Ok i guess i was confusing LTIR acquired players then.

The only issue with trading injured players is if the acquiring team doesn't know about the injury. If they know about the injury and are still willing to make the trade, they can make the trade.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

No for me on Smith even @ 2.5m. Don't want that on the books next year. He'd hold move value to me if he was on an expiring deal.

3rd for Ned.

 

[Play]

These aren’t bad, but I can’t see Red Wings wanted to make that move for a rental

 

[megajake]

Devils are going to be sellers

 

[FissionFire]

Terrible deal for Detroit. They aren’t a Guentzel away from being a Cup team. Too soon for rental trades.

 

[SEALBound]

Thise are likely realistic returns. I would want more but I'm bias. My only angst is that we are trading 3 premium assets and we aren't getting back a major center piece in any. So I'm iffy.

 

[KJoe88]

Done deal as a Wings fan if the 1st is a 2nd

No take backs

 

[Armourboy]

Done deal as a Wings fan if the 1st is a 2nd

No take backs

You aren't getting that player retained without a 1st going the other way because someone will give it to them.

 

[KJoe88]

You aren't getting that player retained without a 1st going the other way because someone will give it to them.

Yzerman isn’t going to give up a 1st for him. A sign and trade? Sure. I can see it.

 

[Oddbob]

Trade 1:

Penguins trade Guentzel (retain 50%)
Wings trade Berggren, Buium and a 2024 1st

The Penguins get a young NHL ready winger, a good B level D prospect and a 1st likely around 20th overall. Wings get a top line rental LWer.

Trade 2:

Penguins trade Pettersson
Devils trade Bahl, Hameenaho and a 2025 2nd

Similar to the Wings trade, the Penguins get a young NHL ready defenseman, a good B level RW prospect and a 2025 2nd to close out the value. New Jersey gets a borderline 1st/2nd pair LD signed for this year and next year. I would have preferred a 2024 2nd but New Jersey already traded that pick.

Trade 3:

Penguins trade Smith (retain 50%) and Nedjelkovic
Oilers trade their 2024 2nd and 2025 3rd

The Oilers get a good middle-6 winger at $2.5 million for this year and next year along with a good backup goalie option for Skinner. Penguins get some additional draft picks.

Thoughts on these deals?

Would be terrible for Detroit to give up a 1st for a rental at this point. We aren't good enough to be paying assets for just rentals.

 

[Armourboy]

Yzerman isn’t going to give up a 1st for him. A sign and trade? Sure. I can see it.

Then he won't get him. Someone is going to give up a first for him.

 

[Djp]

Can the Pens actually trade Guentzel if he's injured past the deadline?
Keep hearing he's out 3 weeks and if my shit math is correct, that's past March 8th

Both Eichel and evander Kanr and 3× full years of contract term left post surgery

Guentzel as a UFA this summer Is not returning what they hope for with him still injured and uncertain on playing again this season

Any trade will be heavily contingent with picks unless he gets an extension with nee team.no team is trading a mid 1st+× for a player they never see play.

 

[Mike Jones]

I can't see Dubas trading for draft picks. He's still firing them out the door as if he still thinks his team has a chance at a playoff spot.

 

[Djp]

You aren't getting that player retained without a 1st going the other way because someone will give it to them.

Not with him Injured

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Can the Pens actually trade Guentzel if he's injured past the deadline?
Keep hearing he's out 3 weeks and if my shit math is correct, that's past March 8th

Nyquist last year was dealt while injured.

Both Eichel and evander Kanr and 3× full years of contract term left post surgery

Guentzel as a UFA this summer Is not returning what they hope for with him still injured and uncertain on playing again this season

Any trade will be heavily contingent with picks unless he gets an extension with nee team.no team is trading a mid 1st+× for a player they never see play.

OK ignoring large parts that are incredibly incoherent, the entirety of this is incorrect.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Value is about right for NJ but buying this year would be foolish. They need to do a LOT of internal housekeeping before they can even entertain the idea of adding outside players.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

NJ needs to sell and the regroup in offseason used those assets gained to help get a goalie...

 

[RRhoads]

As a Wings fan I hope the Wings don't buy anything at the deadline.