Post-Game Talk: Penguins 2, Islanders 1 (OT) - CDS Saves Dead Team Skating

[Randy Butternubs]

100%. And this isn’t a HFBoards thing, it is a Pittsburgh thing. People are also underrating how badly our depth is harmed by Simon and Hornqvist going down and Rust being a disappearing act. That gives us basically three NHL wingers and Pearson isn’t going to drive a line.

It is why I was able to get tickets to Game 5 for under 200 bucks.

Insanity. People want to make fun of Sharks fans. The tickets to those games were 800.

I'm sure the cost of living adjustment had nothing to do with it...

https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/pittsburgh-pa/san-jose-ca/100000

 

[Gurglesons]

I'm sure the cost of living adjustment had nothing to do with it...

https://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/pittsburgh-pa/san-jose-ca/100000

Uh. It isn’t because before we lost Game 4 tickets were 1200.

Obviously, it was because there was potential to see a cup win. But, if you don’t think Pens fans were expecting to lose the series after Game 4 you must’ve missed the knee jerk reactions.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

But I still thought the Isles deserved that game.

eh, trade-off for that game Greiss stole a few weeks back.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Uh. It isn’t because before we lost Game 4 tickets were 1200.

Obviously, it was because there was potential to see a cup win. But, if you don’t think Pens fans were expecting to lose the series after Game 4 you must’ve missed the knee jerk reactions.

I definitely missed that point of your post.

 

[cheesedanish87]

Do you really think we outplayed them tonight? They dominated us in the first. I personally think they looked much better. Sid, Jake, and Kess were literally the only 3 i felt were good.

I thought desmith saved our bacon.

Their were a ton of penalties and it seemed like the NYI were generating more on the PP then the Pens which is why i think it seemed like NYI had the better of the play.

That 4 min PP the Pens had at the end of the first was bad, the NYI got the best chance during those 4 mins when they got a breakaway.

If you listened to Trotz or the NYI players pregame or postgame they viewed that game as a statement game, they were pissed about the game they played in Pgh and they wanted to play well in their old arena. You knew the NYI were gonna be ready to play that game.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Uh. It isn’t because before we lost Game 4 tickets were 1200.

Obviously, it was because there was potential to see a cup win. But, if you don’t think Pens fans were expecting to lose the series after Game 4 you must’ve missed the knee jerk reactions.

I always expect us to lose, but, then again, I also always expect the worst in pretty much every situation in life :Laugh:

 

[Gurglesons]

I always expect us to lose, but, then again, I also always expect the worst in pretty much every situation in life :Laugh:

I mean, I think that is a Pennsylvania thing lol.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I mean, I think that is a Pennsylvania thing lol.

I guess it is a Québécois thing too.

"Né pour un p'tit pain" (born for a small piece of bread, which means to basically expect nothing and accept that you suck)

 

[Coastal Kev]

I have to say, if I'm coaching then I scratch Rust at the earliest opportunity. He needs a serious wake up call. I don't really care about his production, slumps happen, but he looks like a guy mailing it in. It's a sharp contrast to the style that got him here.

Call up DiPauli and give him a cup of coffee. Maybe it will drive it home for Rust to see his clone take his spot.

Ha............ that kind of coaching doesn't apply for the players who are members of the coach's coffee corner.

 

[ColePens]

Because it's not statistically supported, like a majority of the overreactions on this site. The 3 penalties in that period against the Penguins was a late hit by Johnson, a Malkin hold in the offensive zone and a slash by Oleksiak. The Oleksiak penalty was the only penalty that came from the Islanders outworking the Penguins, the other 2 were just undisciplined penalties by Penguins players.

The Islanders dominated the Penguins for about 10 minutes in the 1st period, from about the 5 minute mark to the 15 minute mark. The rest was either even or all Penguins.

Watch
The
Game

Stop looking at stats. You flat out admitted you didn't watch the whole game and then you DID watch the part we got murdered. But your fancy calculations told you something different. Goodness. Watch the game.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Why is it the coaches fault that Rust sucks? Or that Brass is soft in his role?

Meant to say one or the other. Rust hasn't been held accountable for poor play, which I blame Sullivan for though. Haven't been very happy with how Brassard's been deployed either, but meh.

It's mostly on the players at the end of the day.

 

[Will Hunting]

Watch
The
Game

Stop looking at stats. You flat out admitted you didn't watch the whole game and then you DID watch the part we got murdered. But your fancy calculations told you something different. Goodness. Watch the game.

That approach drives me crazy too Empoleon classic. Stats mean everything to him. It was so obvious that without our first line and DeSmith the Pens were quite bad last night. They got some luck, Isles were pretty bad too and CDS stole that boring game for us. But that shouldn´t mean that all is good... If Malkin somehow wakes up, that would help, but still there are so many other problems.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Watch
The
Game

Stop looking at stats. You flat out admitted you didn't watch the whole game and then you DID watch the part we got murdered. But your fancy calculations told you something different. Goodness. Watch the game.

Stats are worthless without context. Context is the game. Gotta watch it and then apply the numbers to the context.

And, let's be honest, most of the advanced stats are not really advanced. Shots for when on the ice vs shot against when on the ice. Ok, it is an indicator, but it is not like OBP in baseball. Sports like hockey and soccer are much more difficult to make more objective.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I thought desmith saved our bacon.

Just watched the extended highlights. Totally agree. DeSmith was incredible. His best game as a Penguin, I'd argue.

 

[ColePens]

Just watched the extended highlights. Totally agree. DeSmith was incredible. His best game as a Penguin, I'd argue.

And I'd still say, even to those who agree, to watch the game. But from the extended highlights, you probably saw an insane amount of DeSmith. Dude played really well.

 

[Gurglesons]

Watch
The
Game

Stop looking at stats. You flat out admitted you didn't watch the whole game and then you DID watch the part we got murdered. But your fancy calculations told you something different. Goodness. Watch the game.

But, like you said you have an immense bias towards Brassard, Rust and ZAR right now.

Even Maatta had some solid plays last night. And we won and possessed the puck 60% of the time the last two games.

Watch the game is just as bad as saying “stats don’t matter”.

It is a combination of both.
This board made it sound like we were the worst team every the 1st period, I watched the rest of the game and thought it was pretty decent. Not great, but nowhere as bad as some want to make it.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Watch
The
Game

Stop looking at stats. You flat out admitted you didn't watch the whole game and then you DID watch the part we got murdered. But your fancy calculations told you something different. Goodness. Watch the game.

"Watch the game" isn't a rebuttal to stats telling a different story. No one should only watch advanced stats, but when the stats go so against what you're saying, it's likely that you're just wrong. I watched the entirety of the 1st period, what I saw wasn't the Islanders "dominating the Penguins" and that was supported statistically. The Islanders had a strong 10 minutes, from about when Oleksiak took his slashing penalty to when Johnson took his interference penalty (the Johnson penalty kill was the turning point for when it went to the Penguins IIRC). People are just grossly overreacting the to Islanders being the stronger team for a 10 minute stretch.

This is just more par the course for the crazy overreactions this place has had recently. The Islanders had a good 10 minute stretch? The Penguins were horrible, the Islanders dominated the Penguins, the sky is coming down!!! The Penguins have been legitimately dominant for the last 10 or 11 games, yet you only see people freaking out about how bad this team is.

 

[ColePens]

Watch the game is 100% a rebuttal to a person who admitted they didn't watch the game. I don't know what else to tell you. Your fancy stats hold no merit if you have nothing to consider them against. If you didn't watch the the game, you don't get to use fancy stats. Watch the game, consider the fancy stats, make your own conclusion. And if that is still your conclusion, i'll respectfully disagree with you and i'd stop conversation there because there would be no point to further it.

 

[ColePens]

And for the keyboard mashers who take stats as gospel, i'm not ignoring stats. I think, as @Scandale du Jour and many others said, it's imperative to watch the game and take those stats to make your own conclusion.

Example 1: When Mur/Fleury were splitting, I felt there were a lot less rebounds when Mur played as opposed to Fleury. I went through every game and look at rebounds/game stoppages due to goaltending. I found what my eyes were telling me actually supported by stats. However those are just stats. It doesn't give me a conclusion on where those rebounds went. Even if Murray had half the rebounds but they were all to the middle of the ice, it isn't something I can hang my hat on as a definitive. It just showed me one part of what I needed. There were so many other pending examples that were in play such as where the rebounds were being directed, second chance opportunities for the opponent, who made more high danger zone area saves, weight of each opponent in terms of their abilities, etc. I found one stat that supported my eye test but it was a weak stat because it didn't tell the whole story. I didn't use it as gospel.

Example 2: Penguins are ranked 6th overall on the PK. Does anyone feel that stat matches the eye test? Does anyone want to take a crack at this one before the stat mashers throw a hissy fit? This is another example where I feel the stat does not match up with the play in front of us. And I forget the users who mentioned it, but talked about DeSmith being godlike on the kill. So a credit to DeSmith SHOULD NOT be a credit to the PK unit.

 

[Gurglesons]

@ColePens I honestly don’t know how you watch our PK and think it is bad since ZAR came up and that is clear bias. They’ve been great since they added him into the rotation and that is where his TOI is getting inflated.

The 4v3 PK last night was a clinic. The Islanders didn’t have one real chance and Barzal was absolutely moving his feet.

 

[ColePens]

@ColePens I honestly don’t know how you watch our PK and think it is bad since ZAR came up and that is clear bias. They’ve been great since they added him into the rotation and that is where his TOI is getting inflated.

The 4v3 PK last night was a clinic. The Islanders didn’t have one real chance and Barzal was absolutely moving his feet.

I've said multiple times I exaggerate my ZAR hate for fun. It was like how I exaggerated my Vitale love. It's for fun. I've mentioned a million times I think ZAR is fine as a bottom 6er, but I still think there are better options. He's not the reason we are losing games.

 

[BillPrep]

"statistics are like mini-skirts...they give you good ideas but hide the most important parts."

- ebbe skovdahl

 

[Empoleon8771]

Watch the game is 100% a rebuttal to a person who admitted they didn't watch the game. I don't know what else to tell you. Your fancy stats hold no merit if you have nothing to consider them against. If you didn't watch the the game, you don't get to use fancy stats. Watch the game, consider the fancy stats, make your own conclusion. And if that is still your conclusion, i'll respectfully disagree with you and i'd stop conversation there because there would be no point to further it.

It's almost like I did watch the game (specifically the window we're talking about), and I'm confident that you're just having another crazy overreaction that has plagued this site recently. The stats support my opinion on that.

I said the same thing after the Senators game, I wasn't watching the game that closely (was playing Smash Bros for a lot of it), but the team looked really good but couldn't beat Anderson. I came onto this site after the game and it seemed like the team had just been embarrassed 9-0. I'm certainly not the only one who's thinking that this board has gone off the deep end with overreacting to this team right now.

 

[Gurglesons]

I've said multiple times I exaggerate my ZAR hate for fun. It was like how I exaggerated my Vitale love. It's for fun. I've mentioned a million times I think ZAR is fine as a bottom 6er, but I still think there are better options. He's not the reason we are losing games.

So, not going to comment on what I actually said about the PK being lights out or what.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

@ColePens I honestly don’t know how you watch our PK and think it is bad since ZAR came up and that is clear bias. They’ve been great since they added him into the rotation and that is where his TOI is getting inflated.

The 4v3 PK last night was a clinic. The Islanders didn’t have one real chance and Barzal was absolutely moving his feet.

For the record, the Isles PP has been atrocious for a while now. Read the Isles' game thread. They were fuming over the lack of movement on the PP, and how they telegraphed that the play was to setup Pulock for the one-timer, making it easy for the Pens' PKers to know what was coming.

I mean, kudos to the PK for doing their job. But let's not act like New York was winging the puck around like the Capitals last night.