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PC Building Guide and Discussion #13
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Desdichado93
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Claimed 19% IPC boost and 24% performance boost
26% boost for gaming in 1080p
The single core performance apparently broke the cinebench record for consumer cpu, so that's pretty impressive
26% boost for gaming in 1080p
The single core performance apparently broke the cinebench record for consumer cpu, so that's pretty impressive
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Update: After a couple of weeks of usage yep, looks like the PSU is indeed a faulty one from the Corsair recall. I'll send it in for a replacement, hopefully the supply shortage is over.
Honestly, they should of done 4 of them and had it like this:
$600/$500/$400/$300
59/58/57/56
12 core/10 core/8 core/6 core
$600/$500/$400/$300
59/58/57/56
12 core/10 core/8 core/6 core
Commander Clueless
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ehh...solid performance increase, but value isn't as good as the 3000 series was. Rocket Lake is coming out in 2021 (14nm++++++++++++++++). Having no competition sucks. Thanks, Intel.
The performance looks solid, but the price increase is a kick in the groin to the price-to-performance crowd in the midrange on the 5600X.
I know these obviously do more than play videogames, but it's funny that the series S, which pretty much has a 3700x (with no boost clock) is $299.
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Makes me content with my decision to go with the 3900x a few months back. I would have been getting that much of a tangible increase in performance with a 5900x.
The value is a lot less if you compare the current price of $210 for the 3600X to the launch price of $299 for the 5600X, but the 3600X's launch price was $249, so it's really only a $50 price bump. Also, it's worth noting that these are for enthusiasts. The CPUs for the budget conscious will come later, probably early 2021. AMD needs to replace their CPUs at the $100-250 price points with Zen 3 versions, after all.
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isn't that how consoles usually are when they're released? great specs at a relatively cheap price and console-makers lose or barely make money on them until later when that tech becomes cheap.
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the 3900x is currently $430 on Amazon and with prime day and black friday coming up, it's quite likely there are bigger price drops for the 3000 series on the horizon. pretty unlikely we'll see that happen with the 5000 series anytime soon. not really a great decision on pricing here by AMD.
Well, we couldn't expect AMD to price the 5900X at $430, the same that the 3900X is selling for. No one would then buy the 3900X, which has to be cheaper to get rid of that inventory. Yeah, it'd be nice if it were priced at $499 instead of $549, but I doubt that it'll be long before you can find it for under $500. With the 3900X priced to sell, its stock will eventually run out and there'll be less stopping the 5900X from dropping in price. A year from now, when Zen 4 is on the horizon, the 5900X may be priced to sell at close to $430, too.
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I was going to get a system with the 3700X but decided to wait for Zen 3. Now there is no Zen 3 counterpart to the 3700X. There is not just a $50 increase to the Zen 3 parts, there is a higher bump now to go from a 6 core cpu to an 8 core and the 8 core has higher thermals. There is also no 670 chipset mobos although they said some companies would refresh the 570 line with a fanless chipset heatsink.
Bad surprise. Now I have to decide whether to get a 5800X, go back to 3700x or get a 5600X. Part of me also thinking of going 3900X at this point.
I was also waiting on the new video cards but that situation does not look good either (supply). Might just wait to get a new system now until after the Xmas holidays.
Bad surprise. Now I have to decide whether to get a 5800X, go back to 3700x or get a 5600X. Part of me also thinking of going 3900X at this point.
I was also waiting on the new video cards but that situation does not look good either (supply). Might just wait to get a new system now until after the Xmas holidays.
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Yeah, you do have to compare against 3000 series MSRP at launch.
That said, the 5600X is listed as a 65W part, which compares more directly to the 3600 rather than the 3600X (95W), a difference of $100 USD with a TBD performance bump. I don't know if the argument there is just more efficiency or they've scrapped that 95W range altogether. Either way, something to think about.
We will have to see what the mainstream versions of these chips look like, i.e. a 5700X, 5600 non-X, and a 5300X if/when these chips make an appearance.
Personally, I paid around $250 CAD for my 3600 awhile back. Seeing a 5600X at $400 CAD does make me feel like the value might not be there....yet. I might nab a 5600X eventually once they go on sale, just to get the best midrange chip available for my AM4 board rather than make the jump to AM5 (and/or Intel next gen equivalent) right away.
I believe that that's just because of the cooler. The 3600 and 3600X were the same CPU, just different bins (i.e. the ones that could reach 3600X speeds were sold as that and the ones that couldn't were sold as 3600). The reason why they were listed with different TDPs is that they shipped with different coolers. The Wraith Stealth is a 65W cooler, so the 3600 was listed as a 65W part, while the Wraith Prism is a 95W cooler, so the 3600X was listed as a 95W part.
The 5600X was the outlier yesterday in being both the only sub-95W part announced and the only one to come with a cooler, two things that are likely related. I think that it tells us that the 5600X will ship with the same Wraith Stealth as the 3600 (and not the Wraith Prism that the 3600X did). It's probably a testament to the increased efficiency of Zen 3 that a CPU that's even more powerful than the 3600X can get away with a worse cooler.
I think that AMD treats TDP more like a guide for system builders to know how much cooling and power to buy. By listing the 5600X as a 65W part, they're telling folks like you and me that a 65W aftermarket cooler will be enough (but only barely), while those of us who are considering the 5800X and 5900X will want a cooler that's the next level up in performance. I could be wrong, but I think that that's what AMD is mostly doing.
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I agree, and that's sort of what I'm getting at.
The nice thing about the 3600 was that you could buy the binned 3600X at $50 MSRP higher, or buy the 3600 and get a base level of performance on a chip that might not clock as high.
With the 5600X being listed at 65W, I'm thinking that means we won't see a 5600 non-X. I could obviously be wrong, but they could lump them all into one class....which opens up potential comparisons between the 3600 and the 5600X, rather than the binned 3600X. This would widen the MSRP gap to $100 instead of $50, making it pretty bad on the price to performance scale.
....assuming any of that made sense.
AMD could obviously be still planning on a 5600 non-X or a 5500X or something to re-capture that midrange value, but the 5600X being listed at 65W makes me think they could just lump all of that into one (more expensive) category.
I see now what you're saying. Yeah, the fact that the 5600X already has the cheapest cooler does make you wonder where that leaves a possible 5600. Perhaps there won't be one and the 3600 was a unique case, perhaps because the move to 7nm left them with more CPUs that didn't make the grade for 3600X than they could sell to OEMs. Sticking with 7nm this time around likely means better yields and, thus, fewer CPUs that don't make the grade.
Maybe the 3600X will be the lowest, and perhaps only, 6-core CPU and the budget models to be announced in the future will be 4-core. If so, that would be disappointing because it'd be ignoring the sweet spot for performance per dollar (6 cores for $199) that made the 3600 and Zen 2, in general, so popular. Hopefully, instead, AMD will eventually either release a lower-clocked 6-core (i.e. a 5600) or release a lower-clocked 8-core (i.e. a 3700X) that pushes the price of the 5600X down closer to what people were hoping that it'd cost.
I don't blame AMD for pricing things a bit high to start and holding off on the budget models and pricing, but, hopefully, it'll be temporary and most of us will be happy with the pricing and choices 6 months from now.
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It should be noted that the advertised boost clocks were pretty bogus for 3000 series and a lot of people's 3600 and 3700 cpus never hit them.
Generally when they went on sale, there was only like a $10 difference between the 3600 and 3600x, but at launch buying a 3600x was completely pointless, they didn't even overclock so you werent getting much more than 3-5% performance boost for $50
Semi decent discounts on razer gaming mice and mechanical keyboards for those interested.
Ryzen cpus also on semi-decent discounts, nothing that hasn't been seen before. Nothing mindblowing tbh.
Not super surprising for the first post-covid prime day, theyve gone downhill in recent years.
Really the only deals left are the echo devices which they're basically giving away.
Ryzen cpus also on semi-decent discounts, nothing that hasn't been seen before. Nothing mindblowing tbh.
Not super surprising for the first post-covid prime day, theyve gone downhill in recent years.
Really the only deals left are the echo devices which they're basically giving away.
AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Reportedly Launches In 2021 For $220 US, Ryzen 5 5600 6 Core Faster Than Intel Core i7-10700 8 Core in Gaming
$220 is only $20 more than the 3600 launched at (and is still selling for). If it's that cheap and not much slower than the 5600X (or if it can be overclocked to close to the same speed), then it could end up becoming the hottest CPU of 2021, just as the 3600 has been for the last year.
Nothing is said about a 5700X, but I imagine that that will be announced at the same time, since it's conspicuously absent from the product lineup and it'd be strange for AMD to announce only one new CPU.
$220 is only $20 more than the 3600 launched at (and is still selling for). If it's that cheap and not much slower than the 5600X (or if it can be overclocked to close to the same speed), then it could end up becoming the hottest CPU of 2021, just as the 3600 has been for the last year.
Nothing is said about a 5700X, but I imagine that that will be announced at the same time, since it's conspicuously absent from the product lineup and it'd be strange for AMD to announce only one new CPU.
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Yes, but it's pre-Ryzen, which is why I'm badly in need of an upgrade. I probably won't wait for a 5600 or 5700X, but who knows.
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Intel Alder Lake-S CPU Has Been Pictured
The new 12th gen Intel "hybrid" CPU using big and little cores is...well, huge!
Also, Intel is planning on releasing 11th (14nm+++++++) and 12th gen (10nm) desktop CPUs both in 2021? That seems....odd.
The new 12th gen Intel "hybrid" CPU using big and little cores is...well, huge!
Also, Intel is planning on releasing 11th (14nm+++++++) and 12th gen (10nm) desktop CPUs both in 2021? That seems....odd.
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Anyone have any recommendations for a 24" gaming monitor? Price point hopefully around $200. I currently have three IPS panels, 5ms, and 60hz so I'm hoping to upgrade one of them. Any suggestions for ones you have or have used would be welcomed. I trust the opinions of people here more than random reviews on Newegg or Amazon.
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