Pasta vs. Bread

[Asymmetric Solution]

Having a spirited debate over the better player. Who would you rather have on your team and who ends up with the better career?

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[Brucelenok]

Panarin is literally carrying his line and much more of an impactful player. I wondering what his stats would be if he'd play with Bergeron and Marchand instead of Strome and Fast.

 

[Didalee Hed]

Oh. This is a poll about the hockey players.

I was legit coming in here prepared to battle it out with myself over which of my starchy masters I love the most

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Pasta gets like 40% of his production from the PP, playing with some of the best PP players in the league like Marchand, Bergeron and Krug.

Panarin literally led the league in even strength scoring on a line with Strome and Fast. Its NEC.

 

[Skolman]

Panarin, quite easily for me

 

[bobholly39]

Panarin is literally carrying his line and much more of an impactful player. I wondering what his stats would be if he'd play with Bergeron and Marchand instead of Strome and Fast.

Yes he was fantastic - for 1 season, at age 28, for the first time. Not sure how repeatable that is, vs a fluke "career year" that may not be the norm.

Meanwhile - Pastrnak actually paced him also scoring 95 points - but with 48 goals (16 more) than Panarin last season. He's only 23 years old.

I agree that Pastrnak gets a ton of help from his line. In fact I might say he benefits from linemates more than any player in the league, considering how good both Marchand and Bergeron are. But - he's pretty damn good on his own too, has started his career great from a young age which bodes extremely well for future. I'm not that high on this player per se - but I do expect him to surpass Panarin career-wise for all of these reasons.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Bread. Food and player.

 

[JoVel]

Oh. This is a poll about the hockey players.

I was legit coming in here prepared to battle it out with myself over which of my starchy masters I love the most

Same. Never been so disappointed.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Breadman due to the fact he carries his line. He doesn't have elite players on his line.

Pasta does.

 

[Emerz]

Panarin is literally carrying his line and much more of an impactful player. I wondering what his stats would be if he'd play with Bergeron and Marchand instead of Strome and Fast.

Probably not much better than a 57 goal, 111 point pace, there's only so many points to go around with the amount of ice time allocated. The linemate argument is a questionable one to me, Bergeron has been injured for long stretches each of the past 2 seasons yet Pasta (and Marchands) production actually increases when they're forced to play a more risky game with a center not as defensively sound as Bergeron. (R. Nash for example, they elevated him to a PPG+ player for a stretch when he's a career .3 PPG player.)

The games elite players produce regardless of who they're lined up with is the point I'm trying to make here.

 

[SotasicA]

I was going to vote Panarin, but then I read "who is going to end up with the better career", and decided to go with Pastrnak because he is five years younger and has the same amount of games played already. Those five extra years are going to add up once it's all said and done. Possibly.

Panarin's the better player now though. And likely will end up with the better peak.

 

[Xspyrit]

Pastrnak will easily have the better career.

Jut turned 24 y/o and already 180 Goals...

Panarin will have had a great peak when all is said and done but has 148 goals and is 5 years older.

Maybe the problem is the double question in the OP

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Both. Two of my favorite foods.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Pasta has paced for ~50 goals and ~1oo points two seasons in a row now whereas this seems a bit more of an outlier season for Panarin. Obviously both are elite but I think Pasta is a touch better.

 

[Varan]

Oh. This is a poll about the hockey players.

I was legit coming in here prepared to battle it out with myself over which of my starchy masters I love the most

L M A O

 

[Wildcarder]

This thread title is fantastic.

 

[holy]

Keto diet practitioners read this thread title and fainted.

 

[Lshap]

Guy Carbonneau (Carbs) was a more complex version of both players.

 

[Ignite111]

Panarin now
Easily Pastrnak career

Pastrnak if healthy could 400+ goals when he's 28.

 

[Ignite111]

Both. Two of my favorite foods.

good one

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Bread

 

[Brucelenok]

Yes he was fantastic - for 1 season, at age 28, for the first time. Not sure how repeatable that is, vs a fluke "career year" that may not be the norm.

Meanwhile - Pastrnak actually paced him also scoring 95 points - but with 48 goals (16 more) than Panarin last season. He's only 23 years old.

I agree that Pastrnak gets a ton of help from his line. In fact I might say he benefits from linemates more than any player in the league, considering how good both Marchand and Bergeron are. But - he's pretty damn good on his own too, has started his career great from a young age which bodes extremely well for future. I'm not that high on this player per se - but I do expect him to surpass Panarin career-wise for all of these reasons.

The question specifically asks who is a better player currently, not projected career-wise and it is Panarin. However, I think that Pasta will have a better career, yes. But Panarin might end up with a better peak season.

 

[bobholly39]

The question specifically asks who is a better player currently, not projected career-wise and it is Panarin. However, I think that Pasta will have a better career, yes. But Panarin might end up with a better peak season.

The OP specifically talks about better career.

We're agreed on the rest, Panarin over Pastrnak for better player today. I could see Panarin having a better peak (quite frankly - I could see last season being the best either player ever does, but we'll see). But for career I'll go Pastrnak.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

The OP specifically talks about better career.

We're agreed on the rest, Panarin over Pastrnak for better player today. I could see Panarin having a better peak (quite frankly - I could see last season being the best either player ever does, but we'll see). But for career I'll go Pastrnak.

I'd argue they're seasons were basically a dead heat last year.

To preempt the "linemates" argument, Panarin played with Zibanejad. Lets stop acting like he's some 4th line scrub getting carried around. Zib had 41/34/75 in only 57 games. Good for leading the league in GPG and a 1.32 PPG. In addition, Pastrnak was without Bergeron for a stretch last year and when he was out there he wasn't always 100% with the hip issues.

Pastrnak:
48/47/95 in 70
1.36 ppg
AS-1
Rocket
4th in Hart
13.2 point shares

Panarin:
32/63/95 in 69
1.38 ppg
AS-1
3rd in Hart
11.4 point shares

Point being, they were as close to a coin flip last year as you can get.

I think the safe bet career wise is certainly Pastrnak. He just turned 24 and is rocketing up in development. His last 4 seasons per game are:

GPG: .45, .43, .58, .69
PPG: .93, .98, 1.23, 1.36

 

[SotasicA]

Both. Two of my favorite foods.

Bread is your favourite food?