Value of: Parayko to DAL

[BleedBlue14]

Dallas is NOT trying to dump Seguin. They want to build around him. Not sure who the fan of the OP is but this is a waste of a thread. You have dumb St Louis fans who think Parayko is worth Seguin and Heiskanen. Which is strange because Parayko is the least valued of the three.

I think it’s more or less a response to the question what gets it done. We are in a playoff spot now we aren’t dumping assets. We don’t need any depth (Dallas should work on keeping any depth that they have that is producing), what else is there that would actually get someone to even consider trading a guy who has been our best player outside of ROR this season. And also maybe outside of Tarasenko the past 5-10 games.

 

[Blueston]

Is Parayko as good as Seth Jones?

No. But he is pretty darn good.

 

[Satan]

so glad you replied to my post with a bunch of graphs on top of one another

 

[Blueston]

I'm not convinced that Colton Parayko is better than Esa Lindell.

I think he is, but regardless they'd make a pretty darn good shutdown pair together.

 

[Kcb12345]

I think he is, but regardless they'd make a pretty darn good shutdown pair together.

Parayko would make an even better partner for Heiskanen

 

[Colt55]

I think Parayko is overvalued in this thread.

Why because he is intregal to the blues current situation and can not be replaced. We have plenty of offense. If we lose parayko our defense goes to sheet. Seguin is nice but in no way a need. We are better off with what we have.

 

[Blueston]

Parayko would make an even better partner for Heiskanen

Agreed. Why don't y'all go ahead and send him to Blues?

 

[Satan]

I mean you’re entitled to your own opinion. But I strongly suggest you get an extended view on Parayko over the last month or two. He has been fantastic

I like Parayko a lot. I took him in the first round of my fantasy hockey draft (it's a deep league, we keep 15 players, nobody cares blah blah blah). I'm also quite vocal on HFStars about parts of Lindell's game that I don't like.

It's close call between Parayko and Lindell but the only difference is- I'm not going around asking for the equivalent of Tyler Seguin for Lindell.

I think he is, but regardless they'd make a pretty darn good shutdown pair together.

I can definitely agree with this

 

[Blueston]

I like Parayko a lot. I took him in the first round of my fantasy hockey draft (it's a deep league, we keep 15 players, nobody cares blah blah blah). I'm also quite vocal on HFStars about parts of Lindell's game that I don't like.

It's close call between Parayko and Lindell but the only difference is- I'm not going around asking for the equivalent of Tyler Seguin for Lindell.



I can definitely agree with this

Beings as the Stars are looking for help up front, curious what Stars fans think it would take to deal Lindell? He is probably the most valuable player y'all have I'd think that isn't clearly untouchable.

 

[Mikeshane]

Dallas is 2nd best in goals against and 29th best in goals for and they have defensemen that can generate offense so why exactly would they be going after Parayko?

 

[Colt55]

Dallas is 2nd best in goals against and 29th best in goals for and they have defensemen that can generate offense so why exactly would they be going after Parayko?

Especially since he sucks is a 2nd pairing guy who is just s o awefu l every team has a thread asking for him.lol

 

[yogintheaveragebears]

Eh.... should of went for “Down year tarasenko” .I realize I added no substance to this thread. Appologies

 

[Colt55]

Eh.... should of went for “Down year tarasenko” .I realize I added no substance to this thread. Appologies

Yeah we got that one too.. a lot. Funny thing is though, he has been on fire last 15 20 games now that he is healed. 4 goals in two games which is exactly why we won both against preds.

 

[blues hillbilly]

Wtf is going on here. Why does Dallas want/need to move Seguin? They have something like 18M in cap space this offseason with the majority of the team already signed.

Not sure why it's hard for people to look and see Dallas as one of the top defensive teams, but worst offensively

So yeah trade your top scorer...

I don't know who or why Seguin was offered and discussed. Ask them. The only reason that would make sense is a dump. And brought out the fact the Stars had extended him.

Concerning the cap statement, I qualified it with depending on what they do. The Stars have been tied to some big names such as breadman. I see the Stars have quite a few FAs to resign so $18M will go quickly. Noticed one Stars fan in another thread say you could handle two big additions. That's fine and good.

But the Blues are not really in any shape to take on Seguin's contract and definitely not for Schenn and Colton.

 

[MrHeiskanen]

It would take Seguin + Heiskenen. So in other words...not gonna happen.

Probably the dumbest thing I have ever read on HFBoards right here.

 

[HolyJumpin]

Probably the dumbest thing I have ever read on HFBoards right here.

yeah but you also just read:

so glad you replied to my post with a bunch of graphs on top of one another

which is the equivalent of someone looking at a math problem and being upset because it doesn't tell him anything.

 

[Colt55]

Probably the dumbest thing I have ever read on HFBoards right here.

I am sorry but tall Gardiner in reference to parayko tops the cake

 

[Satan]

which is the equivalent of someone looking at a math problem and being upset because it doesn't tell him anything.

sorry i dont have a 50" screen set up in portrait mode to waste my time and compare those ink blot charts to one another

 

[Colt55]

sorry i dont have a 50" screen set up in portrait mode to waste my time and compare those ink blot charts to one another

Actually if you look at the numbers slow the chart it's telling.

 

[Satan]

Actually if you look at the numbers slow the chart it's telling.

Now I'm supposed to ignore the ink blots? Each individual blot took up half my screen for no reason?

Tell me what you can conclude from these unadjusted numbers at the top of these ink blot charts when comparing two defensemen with wildly different zone start ratios.

 

[stl76]

Is Parayko as good as Seth Jones?

Parayko is a hell of a lot better than Jones was when he was traded. Currently, it’s a lot closer than people think, tho I doubt Parayko will ever have the same impact offensively.

I'm not convinced that Colton Parayko is better than Esa Lindell.

Lindell is great, super underrated. However, Parayko is a clear step above. Lindell just doesn’t have the physical tools and ability to skate the puck out of trouble and generate offense that Parayko does.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Now I'm supposed to ignore the ink blots? Each individual blot took up half my screen for no reason?

Tell me what you can conclude from these unadjusted numbers at the top of these ink blot charts when comparing two defensemen with wildly different zone start ratios.

Generally with those charts I think they are good at judging how a player stacks up compared to teammates. However, there is a lot more at play than just one individual when looking at a shot chart.

 

[Dbrownss]

sorry i dont have a 50" screen set up in portrait mode to waste my time and compare those ink blot charts to one another

You could just say " I dont understand the charts, help me out". I'm on a phone and they are just fine.

 

[Thallis]

Now I'm supposed to ignore the ink blots? Each individual blot took up half my screen for no reason?

Tell me what you can conclude from these unadjusted numbers at the top of these ink blot charts when comparing two defensemen with wildly different zone start ratios.

A 4% difference in ZSR doesn't make up for the fact that Lindell allows far more dangerous shots when he's on the ice. The two aren't particularly close defensive zone. The nice part of the charts are that you don't even have to take the numbers into account, you can look at the dangerous areas on the ice and see a difference. But you can also be intentionally dense about it because you don't like what the information tells you, that's fine too.

 

[Satan]

You could just say " I dont understand the charts, help me out". I'm on a phone and they are just fine.

I understand the ink blots plenty fine and I was using my 13” laptop but if I need to go through the trouble to line them up side by side (i.e, spend more than 5 seconds) to compare the 2 players, im not going to do that.

4 charts on top of each other lol