Friedman: Panthers trying to trade Keith Yandle

[HawkeyTalkMan]

I don’t blame Yandle for making it difficult on them. I find it hard to believe that they have 6 D-men that are better than him.

they have 6 dmen that are better than him in the way Quenneville wants to play, that's all that really matters. Q has never been one to modify his system around more offensive flair dmen, either you buy in and play his way or there's the bench, press box, or door.

Q has no problem going 7 dmen if he wants an option to replace you and he also will go the opposite route and run his favorite four horses on D unless they run out of gas. if he doesn't have the depth, he will not hesitate to shorten his bench

Q basically wants his dmen to be allergic to the red line unless the puck is established in deep

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Uh...no. We paid his bonus already for the year. We aren’t a Canadian team that cannot afford anything; this offseason actually shows it: once we factor in the full 23 man roster, our cap hit is like 78M and we added like fifteen highly regarded professionals to the organization.

Don’t disseminate the fake news that is your limited ignorance

"Panthers have financial problems"

"Panthers sign Bobrovsky to a 7 year - 70 million dollar deal"

 

[majormajor]

In terms of what though? Offense?

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Look at the zone start discrepancy - Yandle with the easiest job possible, Stralman with the hardest. And the Panthers still saw worse results with Yandle on the ice.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Watch him play. But it’s fun to have opinions without any evidence other than hurr durr looks at da points! Imagine how shit he is if his great point pace makes us still hate him.

If the guy is not good in his own end, then it's up to the coach to make sure he's out there when he can be at his best. That's one of the main jobs of the coach. Put him out on the PP (he's obviously good there). Even if he's putrid on D (which I think is being greatly exaggerated) his point totals make him an asset to the team.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

Look at the zone start discrepancy - Yandle with the easiest job possible, Stralman with the hardest. And the Panthers still saw worse results with Yandle on the ice.

Exactly, Stralman was facing 1st or 2nd line opposition while scoring more goals and almost same 5 on 5 points.
He wasn't playing with Barkov, Huberdeau or Dadonov as well where Yandle was basically glued to those 3 to provide offense and then he fed Hoffman on the PP.

Weegar would have blew past him with 5 on 5 offense if he didn't run into injury issues while facing top line opposition.

I enjoyed Yandle when he first came here, he was one of our biggest free agent signings, he did his job well but feel he got too comfortable and wasn't focusing on playing any defense.
I love that Q has the balls to basically call him out for it and isn't swayed by his ironman streak or big paycheck.

 

[stungun54]

Cough Yandle home to Boston, Cough Yandle home to Boston.

Yandle loves Boston but will not play for the Boston Bruins. Heard it right from his Dad, loves the city no desire to be a Bruin.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

And, I don't like how he gets his points, the one thing he gets credit for. He literally doesn't care if one of his passes end up on the stick of the other team, and a great offensive opportunity for them. So he can squeeze the puck through some areas you usually can't squeeze through, because of that. And create offensive opportunities.
The PP points he gets is partly due to this, he skates to his left or right at the blueline, and passes it back the other way, to Huberdeau or Hoffman. Now, it's not a big deal to him if the other team is close to the passing lane. He will not shoot on the PP. He'd rather try to squeeze those passes through on the blueline when there's traffic in front of the net and teammates in good position for a rebound.
That, and he only has one type of pass he does to move the puck up ice from his own zone, the homerun pass. He doesn't see any open teammate within 20 feet of him. He's going to pass it to the teammate up at the other blueline, whether they are surrounded by the other team or not. This play 90% of the time results in a turnover. And even when it does connect, it rarely results directly into a scoring chance.
But that goes in line with him not caring about the defensive part of the game. You can throw the puck in the middle of the ice from the boards in your own zone and be totally out of position if the other team gets it. But if you don't care about defense, you'll do that play a lot.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Boston, born and bred. Would be a great story for him to go home and help them chase another Cup.

I'm just trying to speak it into existence

If Florida retains salary perhaps....

 

[bert]

Yandle loves Boston but will not play for the Boston Bruins. Heard it right from his Dad, loves the city no desire to be a Bruin.

Beggers cant be choosers.

 

[Imnotagoodposter]

"Panthers have financial problems"

"Panthers sign Bobrovsky to a 7 year - 70 million dollar deal"

That’s a big reason that they have financial problems.

 

[I am not exposed]

Exactly, Stralman was facing 1st or 2nd line opposition while scoring more goals and almost same 5 on 5 points.
He wasn't playing with Barkov, Huberdeau or Dadonov as well where Yandle was basically glued to those 3 to provide offense and then he fed Hoffman on the PP.

Weegar would have blew past him with 5 on 5 offense if he didn't run into injury issues while facing top line opposition.

I enjoyed Yandle when he first came here, he was one of our biggest free agent signings, he did his job well but feel he got too comfortable and wasn't focusing on playing any defense.
I love that Q has the balls to basically call him out for it and isn't swayed by his ironman streak or big paycheck.

That's an understatement. You were claiming he was the best Panthers defenseman of all time.

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

If Florida retains salary perhaps....

Created a Yandle thread months ago where FLA would retain 400-500k while also buying retention from DET (700-900k for a couple mid picks) and then move him to a team he'd accept waiving for while FLA gets picks/mid level prospect and some salary back.

That’s a big reason that they have financial problems.

Our owner isn't hurting financially though and outside this year, we get help with revenue sharing as well.

That's an understatement. You were claiming he was the best Panthers defenseman of all time.

Best offensive defenseman, you've said this 4 or 5 times and take it out of context every time.
At this point, I take offense to it

 

[Mrfenn92]

If Florida retains salary perhaps....

I think they wouldn’t have any issue retaining on yandle

 

[I am not exposed]

Created a Yandle thread months ago where FLA would retain 400-500k while also buying retention from DET (700-900k for a couple mid picks) and then move him to a team he'd accept waiving for while FLA gets picks/mid level prospect and some salary back.



Our owner isn't hurting financially though and outside this year, we get help with revenue sharing as well.



Best offensive defenseman, you've said this 4 or 5 times and take it out of context every time.

I recall it being best overall defenseman. Still, I find it amusing that you're in every Yandle thread basically crapping on him, yet it wasn't that long ago you were singing his praises to the high heavens!

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Created a Yandle thread months ago where FLA would retain 400-500k while also buying retention from DET (700-900k for a couple mid picks) and then move him to a team he'd accept waiving for while FLA gets picks/mid level prospect and some salary back.



Our owner isn't hurting financially though and outside this year, we get help with revenue sharing as well.



Best offensive defenseman, you've said this 4 or 5 times and take it out of context every time.
At this point, I take offense to it.

Nothing's changed though. He's always been an offensive defenseman. Great in transition and on the PP and poor in his own zone. Teams tolerate it until they don't. Q and the management team want to change the team identity when it comes to defense (and for good reason) and so Yandle is persona non grata. It makes sense and isn't personal. He just doesn't fit with the team revamp.

 

[Hookslide]

I think they wouldn’t have any issue retaining on yandle

Can the Bruins take the money and Florida retain Yandle............

 

[Mrfenn92]

Can the Bruins take the money and Florida retain Yandle............

Is this a Florida is broke joke?
Sorry I’m obtuse at times

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

I recall it being best overall defenseman. Still, I find it amusing that you're in every Yandle thread basically crapping on him, yet it wasn't that long ago you were singing his praises to the high heavens!

Feel free to pull up the quote then.
3 years is a long time ago, the shine of his offense has wore off.
He benefits from PP time with our high end forwards and has had his minutes cut the past two years.
I find it funny you defend him, he's an overpaid PP specialist at this point and you didn't back up your quote of him being on par with Weegar and Stralman..

Nothing's changed though. He's always been an offensive defenseman. Great in transition and on the PP and poor in his own zone. Teams tolerate it until they don't. Q and the management team want to change the team identity when it comes to defense (and for good reason) and so Yandle is persona non grata. It makes sense and isn't personal. He just doesn't fit with the team revamp.

I remember days in NYR where he would play decent/average defense, he is actively avoiding contact now and consistently loses his man out front.
He's very high risk/reward with his stretch passes and only has one role on the team now (the PP), which is even in question now as most FLA fans feel Ekblad can step up and take that role, adding a point shot we've missed since Jason Garrison

 

[I am not exposed]

Feel free to pull up the quote then.
3 years is a long time ago, the shine of his offense has wore off.
He benefits from PP time with our high end forwards and has had his minutes cut the past two years.
I find it funny you defend him, he's an overpaid PP specialist at this point and you didn't back up your quote of him being on par with Weegar and Stralman..



I remember days in NYR where he would play decent/average defense, he is actively avoiding contact now and consistently loses his man out front.
He's very high risk/reward with his stretch passes and only has one role on the team now (the PP), which is even in question now as most FLA fans feel Ekblad can step up and take that role, adding a point shot we've missed since Jason Garrison

That was from watching the games last season. My view on Yandle has basically been the same since he joined the organisation. Yours on the other hand has been all over the place. But yes, three years is a long time.

 

[NYI365]

From Friedman's 31 Thoughts:



"Keith Yandle can’t catch Doug Jarvis’s consecutive games played streak (964) this season, but he’s got the longest active streak (866), and is fourth all-time. In this condensed, intense year, teams are going to need depth and he’s going to play, but, as we begin the season, the streak is clearly in jeopardy.

No one plays almost 10 years in a row without a ton of pride, a determination to go out there every night. Yandle wasn’t skating with the main group before Florida claimed Gustav Forsling and Noah Juulsen on waivers. He may work his way back into the lineup, but he’s not in the top six now.

Yandle has ultimate control over his situation with a no-move clause, so only he can decide if he’s willing to go elsewhere, but it’s very hard to move money right now. I’d heard there were some talks with the Islanders (Florida taking back money to ease New York’s cap crunch), but that obviously didn’t happen."

 

[Mogo]

Yandle must have some sort of bonus in his contract which the Panthers don't want to pay because of their own financial issues.

Yeah. Must be that. Already paid his bonus this year and have the 4th richest NHL owner

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

That was from watching the games last season. My view on Yandle has basically been the same since he joined the organisation. Yours on the other hand has been all over the place. But yes, three years is a long time.

We have to keep the same view on players from day one to the present day?
Has your view on Ekblad changed in the last few years?

I can admit fault in overvaluing Matheson and Borgstrom's future.
Felt if Matheson was used in a more offensive role, he could have flourished but was forced into a 2 way role which ruined his confidence.
Felt Borgstrom had the potential to be a #2C/2LW but he didn't pan out.

Yandle only has one role on the team and he's good at it but when comparing him to others on the team making $6 million or more, he is longer worth it imo, you can disagree which is fine

 

[Reality Czech]

Cough Yandle home to Boston, Cough Yandle home to Boston.

I want to see this happen. Yands is the man, the funniest character in the NHL hands down. Would love to see him Sonking for his hometown team.

 

[Mal Reynolds]

Would think his NMC is probably the bigger issue than his salary (which is a problem too, of course)

That said, a team like Arizona could theoretically take him and has room to protect him in the expansion draft. There are a few teams that could make it work, but I honestly don't think Boston is one of them ~ they probably lose a pretty good young dman to Seattle as is

 

[kerrabria]

I don't know a lot about FLA. Who will replace his 45 points on D?

Ekblad will go from "not a true 1D" to overhyped "Norris tier" if he boots Yandle off the PP. Ekblad has been getting defensive-majority starts for three seasons straight now, and less than half the PP minutes that Yandle has been getting. Zito's more defensive minded blueline additions will free up Ekblad to score at a 60 point pace.

What would the return ideally look like?

Cap space