Panthers 2015 Draft Talk | Part II

[Dread Clawz]

Meier is far more skilled than a "power forward"

His only weakness has been said to be his defensive game...

footspeed changed between last year and this year.

I wouldnt consider Marian hossa a power forward...

more of something between the term and a scorer/playmaker

i will call it

power scoripermaker

Ok, well the same can be said about Rantanen. They are both power forwards though.

 

[J17 Vs Proclamation]

Something about Rantanen just doesn't rub me right. I don't like drafting power forwards high. For some reason I feel a Pavel Brendl situation but who knows.

Meier NEEDS to be our guy if he's still available at 11th.

Rantanen isn't a power forward. He's big, but his primary assets are puck protection and playmaking skills. Brendl and Rantanen are nothing alike (and Brendl failed because of work ethic).

As Dread Clawz said, Meier is actually known as a physical player who plays a power game, even if he is smaller than Rantanen.

 

[flapanthersfan]

Been watching some clips of the forwards projected to go around our pick.

Konecny and Barzal left me the most impressed, by far.

Meier looked solid too.

Wasn't impressed with Rantanen.

Zacha's calling card seems to be his one-timer. Rather one-dimensional. Pass. Pirri's got that covered hopefully.

Connor wasn't impressive.

If we draft Crouse I'll kill myself. Dude's got the big-oaf-who-gets-selected-every-season-because-he's-big-but--actually-sucks player written all over him. Not impressed. At. All.

Konecny, Barzal or Meier please.

 

[I am not exposed]

Been watching some clips of the forwards projected to go around our pick.

Konecny and Barzal left me the most impressed, by far.

Meier looked solid too.

Wasn't impressed with Rantanen.

Zacha's calling card seems to be his one-timer. Rather one-dimensional. Pass. Pirri's got that covered hopefully.

Connor wasn't impressive.

If we draft Crouse I'll kill myself. Dude's got the big-oaf-who-gets-selected-every-season-because-he's-big-but--actually-sucks player written all over him. Not impressed. At. All.

Konecny, Barzal or Meier please.

I think Meier is the most likely out of those three. I like Konecny quite a bit as well. Isn't Barzal a centre? Can't see him being taken.

 

[RainingRats]

We need the best goal scoring winger available who has speed. I don't care about size.

 

[flapanthersfan]

I think Meier is the most likely out of those three. I like Konecny quite a bit as well. Isn't Barzal a centre? Can't see him being taken.

both Barzal and Konecny are listed as centers, but are rather small (5'11). usually, those players project better as wingers.

I'd prefer either of those two, but wouldn't be disappointed with Meier either.

 

[I am not exposed]

both Barzal and Konecny are listed as centers, but are rather small (5'11). usually, those players project better as wingers.

I'd prefer either of those two, but wouldn't be disappointed with Meier either.

Konecny has played wing though. Don't think Barzal has. More of a specialised centre. Still, I don't think Barzal falls down to us.

We need the best goal scoring winger available who has speed. I don't care about size.

Kessel?

 

[Android 16]

If we draft Crouse I'll kill myself. Dude's got the big-oaf-who-gets-selected-every-season-because-he's-big-but--actually-sucks player written all over him. Not impressed. At. All.

Agreed. People forget he's playing against 16/17 year olds, the vast majority of whom are not fully developed individuals. Crouse should've gone through junior hockey like a hot knife through butter. If he was so special his point total would be a lot different. His stats last year weren't anything to clamor over at all.

 

[Dread Clawz]

LOL Crouse has a lot of skill and a great arsenal of shots. I do hope we draft him just to see all the drama around here afterwards.

 

[FlaPanthers11]

We'd be lucky to get Crouse.

 

[vendetta]

Been watching some clips of the forwards projected to go around our pick.

Konecny and Barzal left me the most impressed, by far.

Meier looked solid too.

Wasn't impressed with Rantanen.

Zacha's calling card seems to be his one-timer. Rather one-dimensional. Pass. Pirri's got that covered hopefully.

Connor wasn't impressive.

If we draft Crouse I'll kill myself. Dude's got the big-oaf-who-gets-selected-every-season-because-he's-big-but--actually-sucks player written all over him. Not impressed. At. All.

Konecny, Barzal or Meier please.

No Zachary can skate and is very physical... Not one dimensional in the least

Agreed. People forget he's playing against 16/17 year olds, the vast majority of whom are not fully developed individuals. Crouse should've gone through junior hockey like a hot knife through butter. If he was so special his point total would be a lot different. His stats last year weren't anything to clamor over at all.

Crosse played in a team that couldn't score... He was in on something like 29% of his teams goals... Whatever the number is puts him among the top for draft eligible players... And not like he is fully developed himself... He put up good ppg number in the second half... Count your blessings if he falls to us... He is better than anyone u want I'm guessing

 

[Dread Clawz]

"Lawson Crouse is going to score a lot of goals in the NHL." - Bob McKenzie

 

[vendetta]

"Lawson Crouse is going to score a lot of goals in the NHL." - Bob McKenzie

No he's too big and fast and physical to score... No skill or talent or am I doing this right?oh ya and stats and stuff

Pointless debate anyway cause he is way too good to drop to 11... But u never know... Dammit I would be jacked

 

[angry_treefrog]

Pointless debate anyway cause he is way too good to drop to 11... But u never know... Dammit I would be jacked

There's always someone who drops.

Also could see Tallon move up in this draft.

 

[spacemanatee]

Been watching some clips of the forwards projected to go around our pick.

Konecny and Barzal left me the most impressed, by far.

i truly hope barzal gets taken before we're on the clock. kid is a strictly pass first playmaker and i'd rather trade the pick for kessel if barzal is our guy.

 

[FlaPnthrsPunk]

Ok so I have an idea for something cool that we can do (for those going to the draft). I tweeted this yesterday, and I know some of you follow me and some of you are not into social media at all so I thought I'd share this in here:
If the Coyotes stay in the first round, whether it be at 3, 7, 8 , 10, or wherever, when Maloney and his staff are walking to the podium we should give them a standing ovation as a show of support for their franchise.

Here's the tweet, if you are on twitter please retweet so we can really do something cool and special for those fans. (Mods if I'm not allowed to share the tweet I apologize and won't be offended if you delete it out of the post).
https://twitter.com/EthanG0515/status/613395508963360768

We haven't had the same type of situation that they're going through and let's hope it NEVER comes anywhere close to that but we know the pain of uncertainty and having to deal with the insults that come with being a fan of a southern market team which has had its struggles.

Everyone talks about what is gonna be taken from them (picks in a trade, players and prospects in a trade, the team itself) let's talk about something WE can give back to them for once.

If you don't like the idea that's perfectly fine as well, I just feel like it's something we can relate to/understand in at least some capacity.

I'm completely on-board with this. We're mostly longtime Panthers fans here. We've all heard the crap from the Canadian elitists for years about how once the Panthers move to Quebec, the NHL will be saved. How we don't deserve a team because we can't sellout an arena every game with four playoff appearances in 21 years. This would be the best gesture that I can think of to give those bullies the middle finger.

The Coyotes have a small, but diehard fanbase like we do and I hope we never have to deal with what they are right now as their team is on their last legs. I'll be absolutely more than happy to show my support to hope that they stay in Arizona.

 

[Howboutthempanthers]

Ok so I have an idea for something cool that we can do (for those going to the draft). I tweeted this yesterday, and I know some of you follow me and some of you are not into social media at all so I thought I'd share this in here:
If the Coyotes stay in the first round, whether it be at 3, 7, 8 , 10, or wherever, when Maloney and his staff are walking to the podium we should give them a standing ovation as a show of support for their franchise.

Here's the tweet, if you are on twitter please retweet so we can really do something cool and special for those fans. (Mods if I'm not allowed to share the tweet I apologize and won't be offended if you delete it out of the post).
https://twitter.com/EthanG0515/status/613395508963360768

We haven't had the same type of situation that they're going through and let's hope it NEVER comes anywhere close to that but we know the pain of uncertainty and having to deal with the insults that come with being a fan of a southern market team which has had its struggles.

Everyone talks about what is gonna be taken from them (picks in a trade, players and prospects in a trade, the team itself) let's talk about something WE can give back to them for once.

If you don't like the idea that's perfectly fine as well, I just feel like it's something we can relate to/understand in at least some capacity.

That is a fantastic idea. I won't be able to be there unfortunately. But I support this idea 100%.

 

[kelsier]

I cannot prove you wrong if you are not right. Nor can I prove something as wrong or incorrect that doesn't have any evidence. There is no evidence that Rantanen has star potential. I am sorry that you have a love affair with fantasy ideas. The Finns think he is a good player I have yet to read a report that states he is a future star. I mention Toews and Bergeron as comparable because they are actual stars as in players that have reached star status not some fantasy concoction that you have made up. Assuming he is going to put up production in their range is pure fantasy at this point. Since you have seen him play more than professional scouts have, I will play devils advocate I am going to say I have NEVER seen Rantanen play or seen clips I haven't even heard of the young man until this morning. Nonetheless the scouts as in professional scouts ( ie: not you) don't project him as a star yet you do. You clearly have inside information here. You must work for the Detroit Red Wings. "If he played in junior, he would score so many points and dominate". We hear this false analogy all the time. Its just another fabricated statement with more fantasy. Stick to real life and we can gather a more accurate picture of this player and who he is/ will be.

Don't think I've ever seen as long paragraph for someone avoiding a topic of admitting 'I've never seen this kid play'.
This wasn't a contest of who makes the best comeback and obviously there's nothing constructive along the lines to worth bother wasting time with.

 

[IceManCat]

Don't think I've ever seen as long paragraph for someone avoiding a topic of admitting 'I've never seen this kid play'.
This wasn't a contest of who makes the best comeback and obviously there's nothing constructive along the lines to worth bother wasting time with.

You mean you cant comeback and make up more fantasy statistics that go against the scouting reports of professionals? Color me shocked.

 

[FrolikFan67]

crouse at 6'4 210lbs at 18yrs old, he's gonna get bigger, on a line with bjugstad? yes please. can't see philly passing on him, he's the prototypical flyers player, they need lw, and him with simmonds would be a hand full, only way they pass on him is if provorov is there and they go with him. someones gonna fall not named meier or connor, hopefully one of the forwards and not werenski. id be very happy if crouse, or zacha, or rantanen fell. curious if we stay where we are, i doubt he'd move up, slight possibility of moving back if one of those guys did fall and we were fine with meier or connor (talking about 2 or 3 spots though), or if we trade it straight up.

 

[flapanthersfan]

Alot of people who want Crouse are likely the same ones who wanted Gudbranson during his draft year.

Sure, they can produce now, but how will their games translate against men? Gudbranson's clearly did not, at least not how was expected for his draft slot.

Size is so, so, SO overrated on draft day. Draft the most skilled player. Crouse is clearly not it.

Hoping he nor Connor are our picks.

 

[FrolikFan67]

Alot of people who want Crouse are likely the same ones who wanted Gudbranson during his draft year.

Sure, they can produce now, but how will their games translate against men? Gudbranson's clearly did not, at least not how was expected for his draft slot.

Size is so, so, SO overrated on draft day. Draft the most skilled player. Crouse is clearly not it.

Hoping he nor Connor are our picks.

but gudbranson was expected to be a defensive d-man, with the potential to bring offense with his raw tools. i don't think they're comparable. they knew he was a bit of a project in that sense and the development was likely going to be slow, but they wanted a force back there and hoping for a guy who could be a rock and bring solid reliable play and be hard to play against. and i don't think anyone is drafting crouse just because of the size. if you got massive size like that and you can actually skate, not to mention solid hands and a nice shot, thats a rare combination to see and i doubt many teams pass up a player like that, same goes for zacha. we drafted a high schooler who was 6'6, seemed to work out fine. big forwards are different than big dmen especially when they're more defensive guys. not like we drafted ekblad because he was 6'4, that was just extra.

 

[RogerRoger]

Alot of people who want Crouse are likely the same ones who wanted Gudbranson during his draft year.

Sure, they can produce now, but how will their games translate against men? Gudbranson's clearly did not, at least not how was expected for his draft slot.

Size is so, so, SO overrated on draft day. Draft the most skilled player. Crouse is clearly not it.

Hoping he nor Connor are our picks.

Crouse is projected in the top 10 because he his very skilled. There are plenty of big guys in other rounds, so it's clearly not only because he's tall that his draft stock is high. Imo, Crouse will have a production similar to Ladd.

Also, an other that was said to be big and just too mature playing against kid, Ekblad. People were doubting him (to an extent) and he just won the Calder.

 

[kelsier]

You mean you cant comeback and make up more fantasy statistics that go against the scouting reports of professionals? Color me shocked.

Being comical can only buy you so many credits over the internet.

The only statistics I've provided are Rantanen's post WJC point production, so I would have to assume your referring these as the 'fantasy'. Here's the source:

http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2015/6/...right-winger-possible-devils-first-round-pick
If you have trouble trusting the author, the stats are easily tracable.

I specifically asked you how many games have you watched apart from the international games and so far the best answer before running a full circle:

Ive seen plenty of Mikko. .

So would you mind to elaborate why the interest in FEL since as far as I know, most Americans don't bother with European leagues (and hey! who can blame them)?

If you want to bring up Selke candidates/winners into a prospect debate even when they're far apart from being the same player type nor even currently playing the same position is fine I suppose, as long as you draw even the most narrow connection to it. Still, might not really support the cause in this case when there are better comparables to be found.

 

[Android 16]

Draft Crouse?

Just convert Gudbranson to forward and draft Werenski. Call it a day.