Value of: Panarin to NYR

[Calad]

So it is obviously a surprise to learn that Panarin is being shopped. Columbus is trying to take that next step and the Rangers are looking to rebuild from the ground up. Considering the circumstances surrounding his availability and the Rangers situation, the only pieces I'm not willing to part with are 9th overall, Chytil, Andersson, and Shestyorkin. What sort of pieces would CBJ be looking for? I think Kreider would be a nice starting piece, locked up for 2 more years with a really favorable contract and will slot right into Panarin's spot in the lineup. Add in another RFA winger of their choosing, and a pick from 28/39/47 depending on the winger added.

To NYR:
Panarin

To CBJ:
Kreider
one of Spooner/Namestnikov/Vesey
pick 28/39/47

Alternatively, we can take on the Dubi's contract in place of giving up some more pieces, maybe add a solid piece like Fast to help with CBJ's depth.

To NYR:
Panarin
Dubinsky

To CBJ:
Kreider
Fast
47

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[Viqsi]

There are three acceptable trades right now, from least to most likely:
1) A star #1C, OR
2) A full and complete replacement of what he brings on the wing, OR
3) Two forwards, not as good individually, but combined they score more than he does. (i.e. replacing a gamebreaking sniper with brute force).

Kreider might hypothetically be part of option #2, but the adds being suggested aren't nearly enough to cover the other part.

 

[Calad]

This is understandable, it's hard to come to an agreement on return for the situation. What would you like to see added to Kreider to make you think about this trade?

 

[cheech70]

Kreider non starter

Bread man for Name,Spoon,Purple Hayes, pick 28

 

[Bazeek]

There are three acceptable trades right now, from least to most unlikely:
1) A star #1C, OR
2) A full and complete replacement of what he brings on the wing, OR
3) Two forwards, not as good individually, but combined they score more than he does. (i.e. replacing a gamebreaking sniper with brute force).

Kreider might hypothetically be part of option #2, but the adds being suggested aren't nearly enough to cover the other part.

What sort of criteria are you looking for from the two forwards? Let's say you can choose any two of the following from Minnesota:

Zucker
Nino
Coyle
Eriksson-Ek
Greenway
Kunin

Does any combination thereof look appealing?

 

[EdJovanovski]

There are three acceptable trades right now, from least to most unlikely:
1) A star #1C, OR
2) A full and complete replacement of what he brings on the wing, OR
3) Two forwards, not as good individually, but combined they score more than he does. (i.e. replacing a gamebreaking sniper with brute force).

Kreider might hypothetically be part of option #2, but the adds being suggested aren't nearly enough to cover the other part.

Kreider & Hayes for Panarin?

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Aside from the fact that I'm of the opinion that a trade for Panarin is counter-productive to what the Rangers are trying to achieve right now, I just don't think the Rangers really want to move Kreider. Sounds like he's a big part of their rebuild and is probably in consideration for the captaincy. That said, if they're going to actually trade him, a deal for Panarin could work value-wise. Just not so sure they'll be willing to pull the trigger unless it's an absolute no-brainer...which I don't think either offer in the OP is.

 

[Calad]

Kreider non starter

Bread man for Name,Spoon,Purple Hayes, pick 28

Disagree big time. I love Kreider and what he brings, but a talent like Panarin doesn't become available very often.

 

[Viqsi]

What sort of criteria are you looking for from the two forwards? Let's say you can choose any two of the following from Minnesota:

Zucker
Nino
Coyle
Eriksson-Ek
Greenway
Kunin

Does any combination thereof look appealing?

Zucker and one of Nino or Coyle. The other three right now are still largely potential, and we kind of need actual.

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Kreider & Hayes for Panarin?

Hypothetically acceptable. In practice, I'd want to see if we can do better.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

What sort of criteria are you looking for from the two forwards? Let's say you can choose any two of the following from Minnesota:

Zucker
Nino
Coyle
Eriksson-Ek
Greenway
Kunin

Does any combination thereof look appealing?

Not really. I’d want Granlund+.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Don't do this to yourself Rangers.......

 

[SML2]

Neither one of these teams should be making a deal with a team they have to go through in the playoffs.

 

[Jared Dunn]

Not really. I’d want Granlund+.

Not with a huge+ but yeah, if I'm Columbus it absolutely starts with Granlund

 

[Calad]

Neither one of these teams should be making a deal with a team they have to go through in the playoffs.

Rangers won't be going through anyone in the playoffs anytime soon

 

[Crede777]

Kreider's blood clot issue causing him to miss about 25 games is a huge red flag.

 

[Viqsi]

Not really. I’d want Granlund+.

Zucker's most recent season is just about as good production-wise, so I'd consider him acceptable.

 

[SML2]

Then what's the point of paying the price to get Panarin? You add the icing after you make the cake, not the other way around.

 

[Viqsi]

Also, in case it helps folks figure out where I'm going - if I had to come up with a "bare minimum acceptable" offer from Columbus, I'd be asking us for Atkinson and Bjorkstrand. (And I'd be a tad antsy about it, 'cause of Atkinson's age, but Bjorkstrand's would probably help make up for that.)

 

[Critical13]

Kredier, Lias Silverthrow and a pick.

 

[Hello Johnny]

Only way we'd trade him within the division is if we thoroughly won the trade. He wins games by himself so having to play him frequently would hurt.

 

[Calad]

Then what's the point of paying the price to get Panarin? You add the icing after you make the cake, not the other way around.

Because I am more than happy to have Panarin as part of the core to rebuild this team. The dude can hockey

 

[Klaus3154]

Then what's the point of paying the price to get Panarin? You add the icing after you make the cake, not the other way around.

Agreed, you make a trade for someone like Panarin when your rebuild starts to flourish then it is time to add players of his type to accentuate the talent that you developed.

 

[Bazeek]

Not really. I’d want Granlund+.

Understandable, though Granlund is closer to option 2. He's scored less than Panarin, but after switching from C to RW he's put up 69 and 67 points. He's also about the same age, is the best offensive driver on the team, has been a good playoff performer and plays a well-rounded defensive game. I think he's a notch below Panarin, but the + there wouldn't be another top-6 forward.

Zucker and one of Nino or Coyle. The other three right now are still largely potential, and we kind of need actual..

Yeah, just included them because sometimes people like the idea of adding ELCs. I'd consider Zucker + Nino/Coyle. Obviously a lot would depend on how we felt about extending Panarin, but it's all just speculation anyway.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Kreider's blood clot issue causing him to miss about 25 games is a huge red flag.

why?
There was a reason for why it happened, which has been fixed. Its not a problem going forward.

 

[JT Kreider]

Kreider non starter

Bread man for Name,Spoon,Purple Hayes, pick 28

Kreider is absolutely not a non starter for Panarin. There are very few pieces in the organization off the table for Panarin. Maybe none.

But... as f***ing incredible Panarin is and he'd be the most dynamic offensive talent since 05-06 Jagr, we have no business making this type of trade right now.