Proposal: Pacioretty for Brassard?

[Steeler23]

A. That's 2 years ago, not 3 years ago.
B. He had 46 points in 72 games last season, which is a pace of 52 points per 82 games.
C. How is Brassard "declining talent" while Pacioretty isn't, considering he just had his lowest scoring season in a long time this season?
D. Why is Brassard "aging" when he's like a year older than Pacioretty? They're separated by 14 months, Pacioretty isn't some 23 year old player at this point.

You look absurdly biased in here right now. I'm not adding a 1st on top of a high end 2C for a 1st line LW, there's not a chance in hell I'm doing that.

Agreeing with almost everything, but Brassard isn't a high end 2C, he's a regular 2C IMO.

 

[mpp9]

Pens fan saying Pacioretty is more valuable. But I don’t see Bergevin not trying to compete next year. They’ve needed a center for years.

If Patches won’t net them something they want/need longterm. I don’t see it being the worst thing ever to make a swap like this. Especially with them saying they won’t re-sign Patches. And factoring in a possible extension for Brassard and his French Canadian heritage. Something like that matters to Montreal management, right or no.

 

[nhlfan9191]

A. That's 2 years ago, not 3 years ago.
B. He had 46 points in 72 games last season, which is a pace of 52 points per 82 games.
C. How is Brassard "declining talent" while Pacioretty isn't, considering he just had his lowest scoring season in a long time this season?
D. Why is Brassard "aging" when he's like a year older than Pacioretty? They're separated by 14 months, Pacioretty isn't some 23 year old player at this point.

You look absurdly biased in here right now. I'm not adding a 1st on top of a high end 2C for a 1st line LW, there's not a chance in hell I'm doing that.

Brassard is not a high end 2c.

 

[nhlfan9191]

I'm an Habs fan and no, I'm not insulted.

You should be.

 

[Revelation]

Yeah because last year and not the handful plus of years before our team in Montreal wasn’t a train wreck is what to go off of. You’re insulting our fanbase with an offer like that let alone declining. Get lost.

Right because Ottawa was that much better last year. Brassard = Pacioretty no matter how many tantrums habs fans throw about it

 

[Steeler23]

You should be.

If you get insulted because someone offer a 30 yo, 50pts C for a 29 yo, 60pts LW, on a message board, you should do something about it.

The difference between them isn't that big, and Pacioretty value is weird until he prove he just had a bad season and it isn't because he's declining. Pitts just gave up Cole and a 1st for Brassard (trade was bigger but it seems to be the important stuff they gave),

Personally, I think something like Pacioretty + 3rd (or an equal asset Pitts would want/need) for Brassard + 1st (or an equal asset Habs would want/need) is fair value, considering this would be a late 1st and early 3rd. They could re-trade Brassard at the deadline if they can have more assets and are out of the playoff.

IMO, that's fair value, but Idk if it's a move either teams would do.

 

[nhlfan9191]

If you get insulted because someone offer a 30 yo, 50pts C for a 29 yo, 60pts LW, on a message board, you should do something about it.

The difference between them isn't that big, and Pacioretty value is weird until he prove he just had a bad season and it isn't because he's declining. Pitts just gave up Cole and a 1st for Brassard (trade was bigger but it seems to be the important stuff they gave),

Personally, I think something like Pacioretty + 3rd (or an equal asset Pitts would want/need) for Brassard + 1st (or an equal asset Habs would want/need) is fair value, considering this would be a late 1st and early 3rd. They could re-trade Brassard at the deadline if they can have more assets and are out of the playoff.

IMO, that's fair value, but Idk if it's a move either teams would do.

He hasn’t put up 50+ in 3 years. What are you talking about?

 

[Steeler23]

He hasn’t put up 50+ in 3 years. What are you talking about?

Brassard put up 58 pts 3 years ago. What are you talking about?

He had a down year in 2016-17 with 39 pts, but came back last season with 46 pts (and on pace for 52).

But if Brassard isn't a 50 pts player just because:
A) You can't have a down year (2016-17 for Brassard)
B) You don't calculate the pts he would have had if he had a full season (Brassard was on pace for 52)

I guess Pacioretty is a 37 pts player? Not that I think he is, but your logic is.

 

[ohmyjlord]

Right because Ottawa was that much better last year. Brassard = Pacioretty no matter how many tantrums habs fans throw about it

Sure...

2013-14
Pacioretty gets 39 goals (0.53 gpg) and 60 points (0.82 ppg) in 73 games. Brassard gets 18 goals (0.22 gpg) and 45 points (0.55 ppg) in 81 games.
Advantage Pacioretty: 21 goals (+0.31 gpg) and 15 points (+0.27 ppg).

2014-15
Pacioretty gets 37 goals (0.46 gpg) and 67 points (0.84 ppg) in 80 games. Brassard gets 19 goals (0.24 gpg) and 60 points (0.75 ppg) in 80 games.
Advantage Pacioretty: 18 goals (+0.22 gpg) and 7 points (+0.09 ppg).

2015-16
Pacioretty gets 30 goals (0.37 gpg) and 64 points (0.78 ppg) in 82 games. Brassard gets 27 goals (0.33 gpg) and 58 points (0.73 ppg) in 80 games.
Advantage Pacioretty: 3 goals (+0.04 gpg) and 6 points (+0.04 ppg).

2016-17
Pacioretty gets 35 goals (0.43 gpg) and 67 points (0.83 ppg) in 81 games. Brassard gets 14 goals (0.17 gpg) and 39 points (0.48 ppg) in 81 games.
Advantage Pacioretty: 21 goals (+0.26 gpg) and 28 points (+0.35 ppg).

2017-18
Pacioretty gets 17 goals (0.27 gpg) and 37 points (0.58 ppg) in 64 games. Brassard gets 21 goals (0.29 gpg) and 46 points (0.64 ppg) in 72 games.
Advantage Brassard: 4 goals (+0.02 gpg) and 9 points (+0.06 ppg)

LAST 5 SEASONS
Pacioretty gets 158 goals (0.42 gpg) and 295 points (0.78 ppg) in 380 games. Brassard gets 99 goals (0.25 gpg) and 248 points (0.63 ppg) in 394 games.
Advantage Pacioretty: 59 goals (11.8 goals per season, +0.17 gpg) and 47 points (9.4 points per season, +0.15 ppg)

Now go take a look at both Pacioretty's and Brassard's quality on linemates during that span, and tell me....how is Brassard equal to Pacioretty again ?

 

[Halla]

pittsburgh needs to add something decent.

If the habs could convince Brassard to sign an extension, Brassard + Calen Addison could be a decent return.
pittsburgh probably leapfrogs the caps with his top 6

Patches - Malkin - Kessel
Guentzel - Crosby - Hornqvist

scary