Waived: PA Parenteau placed on waivers (Claimed by NJ)

[ScaredStreit]

Did you even see the goal he scored??? it hit his leg and went into the goal even i would have scored.

enough with PA! the guy is slow and he's not the same player he was when he played with the Isles

The only players on our current roster who outscored PAP last year are:

Tavares (star player)
Ladd (played on a different team)

That's it. That is a fact...and people are actually saying he's not good enough to at least be in our top-six (or even top-nine)?! Really?

 

[Flair19Woo]

Snow better unscrew this mess, because if they go a long stretch with Chimera/Prince/Quine getting prime top 6 minutes, they better prepare for another bottom 5 finish.

I don't disagree with most what you say, but really things hinge more on the Strome and Nelson lines than this. These two softies are gonna get exploited.

 

[rikker]

I think there is a valid point to some of the posts tearing the team to shreds at times. With regards to poor matchups, what is this like the nth time the coaching staff has drafted a terrible lineup?

However, this is the season opener and we looked half asleep at the helm last night, if it's December and they look like this, then it's time to hit the panic button. Now is not that time.

As to why this board is dryer than Nevada, well it seems like there was a giant civil war here at one point, which chased both sides away from this board.

Sadly, this board is a shell of its former self (it's been on a steady decline for several years, compared to the rest of HF). This board was really never the same after a certain point in the early 00s, it has just recently taken a turn from bad to noticeably bad.

not disputing what you say, just adding on.

you won't find many, if any, that are always looking through the rose-coloured glasses. when something good does happen and we start discussing it, it's like the Frenchmen guarding the castle in Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail', come out to try and deflate us.

the way 'some' posters talk, it's like we have nothing good. everything sucks.

i've been a fan for 40 years, so i've seen the worse, and it is not what's going on now. we have been to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years, and won a series. this is the best i've seen in the last 30 years.

should we be satisfied? hell no! we have a long way to go, but it seems like the past 5 years, we have shown improvement, while getting younger.

this is not an attack on someone who posts negative material. this is saying to the guys that are always negative, "come on man, we aren't that bad!"

 

[ScaredStreit]

not disputing what you say, just adding on.

you won't find many, if any, that are always looking through the rose-coloured glasses. when something good does happen and we start discussing it, it's like the Frenchmen guarding the castle in Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail', come out to try and deflate us.

the way 'some' posters talk, it's like we have nothing good. everything sucks.

i've been a fan for 40 years, so i've seen the worse, and it is not what's going on now. we have been to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years, and won a series. this is the best i've seen in the last 30 years.

should we be satisfied? hell no! we have a long way to go, but it seems like the past 5 years, we have shown improvement, while getting younger.

this is not an attack on someone who posts negative material. this is saying to the guys that are always negative, "come on man, we aren't that bad!"

Losing in the 1st round of the playoffs is being an average team-NOT a good team. Average teams in the NHL makes the playoffs

 

[rikker]

Losing in the 1st round of the playoffs is being an average team-NOT a good team. Average teams in the NHL makes the playoffs

thanks for the positive feedback...

 

[JohnTonelliRises]

not disputing what you say, just adding on.

you won't find many, if any, that are always looking through the rose-coloured glasses. when something good does happen and we start discussing it, it's like the Frenchmen guarding the castle in Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail', come out to try and deflate us.

the way 'some' posters talk, it's like we have nothing good. everything sucks.

i've been a fan for 40 years, so i've seen the worse, and it is not what's going on now. we have been to the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years, and won a series. this is the best i've seen in the last 30 years.

should we be satisfied? hell no! we have a long way to go, but it seems like the past 5 years, we have shown improvement, while getting younger.

this is not an attack on someone who posts negative material. this is saying to the guys that are always negative, "come on man, we aren't that bad!"

Gotcha, I understand what you're saying. I understand why people can be harsh on this team (I can be one of them at times), but there's not much of a sample size here either with the current roster.

On that note, I hope we don't have a repeat performance tomorrow. I thought they looked lethargic, at best.

If we're 12-20, then we should panic, now isn't the time!

 

[First Blood]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/two-waiver-wire-pickups-impact-new-teams/

Clearly the Islanders weren’t expecting Mathew Barzal and Anthony Beauvillier to both make the lineup this season, because most teams wouldn’t waive a 20-goal scorer on a sweetheart deal like Parenteau’s. The Devils, a team that has lacked offensive talent for a few years now, should benefit from adding him, creating secondary scoring they didn’t have last year, after improving their primary scoring with the offseason addition of Taylor Hall.

Bash me all you want, but at least the rest of the hockey world can acknowledge this was a mistake. And great point ScaredStreit. Moronic move by Garth Snow. Even more moronic at the fact that coaching has an old grinder in Chimera on the 1st line next to Ladd & Tavares.

Fans are allowed to be upset, given that Tavares has probably only had one borderline elite player to work with in Thomas Vanek which was only for like half a year. He deserves better, and Parenteau and John had proven chemistry. This will come back to bite our Islanders waiving Parenteau. I am not over it, because this team still lacks a legit top 6 RW. It is going to be a thorn in our teams side for the rest of the year, guarantee it. And if Barzal seemed to fit next to Tavares & Ladd, he should of been playing next to those guys last night. Not 37 year old Jason freaking Chimera.

 

[rikker]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/two-waiver-wire-pickups-impact-new-teams/



Bash me all you want, but at least the rest of the hockey world can acknowledge this was a mistake. And great point ScaredStreit. Moronic move by Garth Snow. Even more moronic at the fact that coaching has an old grinder in Chimera on the 1st line next to Ladd & Tavares.

Fans are allowed to be upset, given that Tavares has probably only had one borderline elite player to work with in Thomas Vanek which was only for like half a year. He deserves better, and Parenteau and John had proven chemistry. This will come back to bite our Islanders waiving Parenteau. I am not over it, because this team still lacks a legit top 6 RW. It is going to be a thorn in our teams side for the rest of the year, guarantee it. And if Barzal seemed to fit next to Tavares & Ladd, he should of been playing next to those guys last night. Not 37 year old Jason freaking Chimera.

'the rest of the hockey world' is a very vague assumption, and technically incorrect. how about when Da Vinci said the world was round, and was vilified. was the 'consensus' right?

and Snow is a moron? i have no idea what he earns, but i will say that him having a Master’s Degree in Administration and Bachelor’s Degree in Business Administration from the University of Maine, disqualifies him as a 'moron'. but hate if you want. who can stop you?

the trend in the NHL seems to be about speed and having 4 versatile lines. there is nothing wrong with
Chimera on the first line, as long as he produces. he is speedy, and when given 14 minutes a game or so, he produces at about a 0.4 PPG pace, in two of the past three years, while playing defensively responsible and gritty. granted, this is with WSH, who has more talent than us, so his stats may be a bit inflated. and all at the elder years of 34, 35, and 36. you're a bit quick to judge, don't you think?

even with Parenteau, we lacked a 1st line RW. do you really think a player that is making $1.5 mil a year, is considered elite? obviously you do, and i will say... WOW!

you are allowed to be upset, only because you are allowed to feel how you like. but honestly, when you use words like 'moron', 'never', 'always', and whatever extreme words you use, you lose credibility.

Tavares deserves better, i agree. but... Snow inherited a team that had no great forwards, defence, or goaltenders. some decent ones, yes. and no one wanted to come to the Isle. so, what would anyone do? build through the draft. starting from scratch, which is obvious. it took close to 10 years, but is finally coming to fruition. why not enjoy it?

i bet 1,000,000,000,000 Trump dollars that Barzal will have a better career than Chimera, but is Barzal better than Chimera this year? i wouldn't bet all my Trump dollars on that.

my advice is to relax and cheer them on. see how it goes. you are a fan, right?

 

[First Blood]

'the rest of the hockey world' is a very vague assumption, and technically incorrect. how about when Da Vinci said the world was round, and was vilified. was the 'consensus' right?

and Snow is a moron? i have no idea what he earns, but i will say that him having a Master’s Degree in Administration and Bachelor’s Degree in Business Administration from the University of Maine, disqualifies him as a 'moron'. but hate if you want. who can stop you?

the trend in the NHL seems to be about speed and having 4 versatile lines. there is nothing wrong with
Chimera on the first line, as long as he produces. he is speedy, and when given 14 minutes a game or so, he produces at about a 0.4 PPG pace, in two of the past three years, while playing defensively responsible and gritty. granted, this is with WSH, who has more talent than us, so his stats may be a bit inflated. and all at the elder years of 34, 35, and 36. you're a bit quick to judge, don't you think?

even with Parenteau, we lacked a 1st line RW. do you really think a player that is making $1.5 mil a year, is considered elite? obviously you do, and i will say... WOW!

you are allowed to be upset, only because you are allowed to feel how you like. but honestly, when you use words like 'moron', 'never', 'always', and whatever extreme words you use, you lose credibility.

Tavares deserves better, i agree. but... Snow inherited a team that had no great forwards, defence, or goaltenders. some decent ones, yes. and no one wanted to come to the Isle. so, what would anyone do? build through the draft. starting from scratch, which is obvious. it took close to 10 years, but is finally coming to fruition. why not enjoy it?

i bet 1,000,000,000,000 Trump dollars that Barzal will have a better career than Chimera, but is Barzal better than Chimera this year? i wouldn't bet all my Trump dollars on that.

my advice is to relax and cheer them on. see how it goes. you are a fan, right?

I want them to win... I am just sad we have one of the best offensive players in the league and we have been unable to build a unit around him. It reminds me of Ewing and the Knicks...

 

[A Pointed Stick]

I believe the argument is that signing PAP was a bad sign because it indicated that Snow wasn't looking for a better 1st line RW.

Now the argument is that dropping PAP is stupid because Snow not only didn't acquire a better 1st line, he dropped one so that Jason Chimera (assumed 4th liner) could play on the 1st line.

It isn't an argument. It is what he did (based on one game of course.)

I personally see a part B to this with Snow expecting Barzal to magically step into that spot and become instant-success.

If it works, kudos for gambling and winning. If he fails he deserves to have his @ss handed to him by the entire fan base. The people who just want to see smiley faces on here all the time need to back off on this one. It has F-up written all over it.

 

[JohnTonelliRises]

Just going off a whimsical thought, but maybe there is more to this story than a simple sign and waive.

Garth really hasn't acted like this on a normal basis before: he's only done this with Nino and Ho-Sang.

Both of those players did something that was deemed harmful to the org.

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Or it could just be a sign and waive.

Either way, I like PA and I'm still sad that he's not on this team. Washed up or not.

 

[rikker]

It isn't an argument. It is what he did (based on one game of course.)

I personally see a part B to this with Snow expecting Barzal to magically step into that spot and become instant-success.

If it works, kudos for gambling and winning. If he fails he deserves to have his @ss handed to him by the entire fan base. The people who just want to see smiley faces on here all the time need to back off on this one. It has F-up written all over it.

to me, Snow looked a bit more to the future, and chose to send PAP off. i think he knew that we were not going to advance much further with this year's lineup, than last year, and decided to start indoctrinating the blue chippers. i have no idea which path will prove to be better, but the LI Grinchers have no basis to claim that Snow eff'd up. yet.

options for JT's right side are Bailey, Strome, JHS, Lee and possibly Barzal. the way Bailey played last game, i would give him a try. Strome worked there a few years ago. Lee looked uncomfortable on the right side. JHS is an intriguing option, but obviously inexperienced. i don't recall Barzal ever playing RW, so i don't hold out much hope for him having success there. but you never know. JT has a way of elevating people around him.

 

[seafoam]

I still don't think PA is slow by any means. He's not Ho-Sang fast but that's okay.

He would have been a good fit on our third line and a PP guy.

Personally, I think it's a bad move, but whatever.

 

[Strome18]

I think there is a valid point to some of the posts tearing the team to shreds at times. With regards to poor matchups, what is this like the nth time the coaching staff has drafted a terrible lineup?

However, this is the season opener and we looked half asleep at the helm last night, if it's December and they look like this, then it's time to hit the panic button. Now is not that time.

As to why this board is dryer than Nevada, well it seems like there was a giant civil war here at one point, which chased both sides away from this board.

Sadly, this board is a shell of its former self (it's been on a steady decline for several years, compared to the rest of HF). This board was really never the same after a certain point in the early 00s, it has just recently taken a turn from bad to noticeably bad.

I agree the team did not play anywhere near to their capability but specific fans just act as though the Islanders will be the 1st pick in the draft. This is funny and headscratching in the same breath.

 

[ScaredStreit]

thanks for the realistic feedback...

Fixed it for you.

 

[rikker]

Fixed it for you.

now, if i can just fix YOU!

 

[Seph]

The only players on our current roster who outscored PAP last year are:

Tavares (star player)
Ladd (played on a different team)

That's it. That is a fact...and people are actually saying he's not good enough to at least be in our top-six (or even top-nine)?! Really?

Not sure why you're surprised. Plenty of people are saying Chimera shouldnt new the top 6, and had the same points as PAP with notably fewer minutes.

 

[ScaredStreit]

Not sure why you're surprised. Plenty of people are saying Chimera shouldnt new the top 6, and had the same points as PAP with notably fewer minutes.

Since his breakout year (1st year with us) PAP has scored 259 points...Chimera has scored 180.

Chimera also played in 54 more games.

Chimera is not as good asPAP offensively, that's a ridiculous argument...he's really not that close.

 

[rikker]

Since his breakout year (1st year with us) PAP has scored 259 points...Chimera has scored 180.

Chimera also played in 54 more games.

Chimera is not as good asPAP offensively, that's a ridiculous argument...he's really not that close.

over the past 3 years...

PAP is getting about 0.4 PPG, is +3, and averaging about 16 minutes a game.

Chimera is getting about 0.4 PPG, is a +1, and averaging about 14 minutes per game.

i haven't followed either very closely, but over the course of those 3 years (not just last year), PAP has probably seen significantly more PP time.

Chimera is a better 2-way player, is much grittier, and a much better skater. PAP is more of a PP specialist, ala Moulson. i don't see the big difference in value between the two. BTW, PAP is averaging 13:44 per game this year, on an offensively challenged Devils team. it is early, and maybe they are bringing him into it slowly, but we could use the same argument for Chimera.

as far as Chimera on 1st RW, he doesn't look too bad. maybe he is there to take some of the defensive heat away from JT? and maybe rolling 4 lines has become more important and Cappy is just trying to spread the skill around? IDK...

some other 1st line RW's in the league... Pastrnak (BOS), Brouwer (CAL), Stempniak (CAR), Atkinson (CLB), Nyquist (DET), Coyle (MIN), Gallagher (MTL), Komorov (TOR). not implying that Chimera is deserving of top line duties, but just illustrating the fact that RWers and RH'd D are the hardest positions to fill.

 

[redbull]

over the past 3 years...

PAP is getting about 0.4 PPG, is +3, and averaging about 16 minutes a game.

Chimera is getting about 0.4 PPG, is a +1, and averaging about 14 minutes per game.

i haven't followed either very closely, but over the course of those 3 years (not just last year), PAP has probably seen significantly more PP time.

Chimera is a better 2-way player, is much grittier, and a much better skater. PAP is more of a PP specialist, ala Moulson. i don't see the big difference in value between the two. BTW, PAP is averaging 13:44 per game this year, on an offensively challenged Devils team. it is early, and maybe they are bringing him into it slowly, but we could use the same argument for Chimera.

as far as Chimera on 1st RW, he doesn't look too bad. maybe he is there to take some of the defensive heat away from JT? and maybe rolling 4 lines has become more important and Cappy is just trying to spread the skill around? IDK...

some other 1st line RW's in the league... Pastrnak (BOS), Brouwer (CAL), Stempniak (CAR), Atkinson (CLB), Nyquist (DET), Coyle (MIN), Gallagher (MTL), Komorov (TOR). not implying that Chimera is deserving of top line duties, but just illustrating the fact that RWers and RH'd D are the hardest positions to fill.

But Parenteau was on a list place team and 1st PP while Chimera was a 3-4th liner on a 1st place team.

Numbers completely out of context

Chimera has little offensive skills. He had a good year last year. His offense comes from speed not hands or vision. Terrible 1st line choice.

Why Lee isn't there is beyond me.

Lee is terrible outside line 1 and great on that line.

 

[seafoam]

But Parenteau was on a list place team and 1st PP while Chimera was a 3-4th liner on a 1st place team.

Numbers completely out of context

Chimera has little offensive skills. He had a good year last year. His offense comes from speed not hands or vision. Terrible 1st line choice.

Why Lee isn't there is beyond me.

Lee is terrible outside line 1 and great on that line.

Lee hasn't looked great since the last season at the Coliseum. Also, I think Ladd and him essentially fill the same role so that's why he's not on a line with Tavares.

 

[dlawong]

If the problem with Isles is goal scoring on 1st line, they had chance to trade for Eberle who is a premium puck handler with pretty good hockey sense and have one of the best backhand shots in the NHL. Maybe they had to give up Hammer and that may be hard to deal with. However look at Pulock's potential and Trouba being available for trade now, wonder if Isles could have pull off a trade of getting both Eberle and Trouba in 2 separate deals without trading JT? No one on this team is that highly valued that you can't somehow pull off both trades. I think it may be too late for any move getting Eberle now.

By the way, I think if Trouba is available and Isles have something they can offer to Winnipeg without moving JT, go for it. Isles badly need a fast blue liner who can pass and score. Laddy can do some of that but it is not enough. The speed at the back end change the dynamics of the game greatly.

Current D speed on the Isles team:

Laddy - elite
Hammer, De haan and Hickey - average
Boychuk - slower than average
Seindenburg - slow in general but can pick up at times

None of the AHL or junior D prospects have elite speed

 

[blitzkriegs]

If the problem with Isles is goal scoring on 1st line, they had chance to trade for Eberle who is a premium puck handler with pretty good hockey sense and have one of the best backhand shots in the NHL. Maybe they had to give up Hammer and that may be hard to deal with. However look at Pulock's potential and Trouba being available for trade now, wonder if Isles could have pull off a trade of getting both Eberle and Trouba in 2 separate deals without trading JT? No one on this team is that highly valued that you can't somehow pull off both trades. I think it may be too late for any move getting Eberle now.

By the way, I think if Trouba is available and Isles have something they can offer to Winnipeg without moving JT, go for it. Isles badly need a fast blue liner who can pass and score. Laddy can do some of that but it is not enough. The speed at the back end change the dynamics of the game greatly.

Where is it that the Isles 'had a chance' at Eberle?

Trouba? There we go...

Let's just make trades for the sake of making trades.

It's 2 games...

 

[Hip Of Rick*]

The only players on our current roster who outscored PAP last year are:

Tavares (star player)
Ladd (played on a different team)

That's it. That is a fact...and people are actually saying he's not good enough to at least be in our top-six (or even top-nine)?! Really?

Scoring is way overrated

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Losing in the 1st round of the playoffs is being an average team-NOT a good team. Average teams in the NHL makes the playoffs

Only 4 teams in the NHL had a more successful season than the Islanders did last year.

Back on topic - Parenteau sucks. Waiver wire fodder for a reason.