Speculation: Ownership Saga: Coyote's Renaissance (Read Post #1)

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  1. rt

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    so just a quick question, there was posted a few pages back, the numbers from the taxes and sales at westgate w&w/o the coyotes. so my question is does cabelas count in that or is it just the shops surrounding the arena? that reason I ask is because cabelas and all other gun/ammo retailers experienced a breakout year due to the panic over the 2nd amendment/gun grab and would falsely inflate the numbers with a fluke spike. just wondering
     
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    Well I dont know if I can help in the Martinez debate but he was quoted as not being sure how a deal would work above $6.5 million. That was before all the points were negotiated. He has not said he is a no. Please source it as so if I am wrong. I think people are assuming too much in him not being a part of the three this morning. He is very non confrontational and tries to go with the low key flow.

    Now I talked to him last time around but havent this time. However this is making the rounds and I am not sure if it is from a regular poster here but fwiw:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/benfidler/status/350338634811076608/photo/1
     
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    GiveAFlyingPuck I sure as poop want to win.

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    Thank you. No matter what, I'm glad I got to see the team play the last 4 seasons here. I'm greedy and would like more.

    And if it keeps going like this, Doan will retire from a team owned by the NHL. Doh!
     
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    I don't care what happens to the team anymore.

    If you were expecting better from a parvenu municipal government or the international crimelords running the NHL, you're dumber than you look.

    By far the greatest loss for me personally is the (probable) dissolution of this community. This is the finest team forum HFBoards has ever seen or will see. God be with you all; or if, like myself, your faith is the faith Pegana, may the path set for you by Kib be long and sunny, and may Mung withholdeth from you the sign of Mung until you are content to wander among all the Things That Were.
     
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    ClassLessCoyote Staying classy

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    Of course and here is some other stuff that those who are too positive about this mess fail to understand(like many other things as well) should the deal pass:

    1. Goldwater is going to try once again to derail the best they can by legal means.
    2. The NHL could end up still reject the deal like this foolishly did last time should this deal survive the legal challenges.

    But of course this is just "speculation"(buzzword) and pretending to have inside info.:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:
     
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    Surprise, Brahm Resnik is back

    http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/0627letter.pdf

    So the city and RSE haven't actually reached a deal yet.

    Bowers doesn't like it

    http://www.glendaleaz.com/documents/062513-MC-Bowers-Renaissance.pdf

    edit: out clause is $50m or 5 years?

     
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    Mouser addressed this a few pages back - the out clause is 5 years AND at least $50 million in losses, not "or."

     
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    That doesn't alleviate any concerns. That's $10m a year, which historically isn't much. Worse yet, RSE could theoretically expand the budget and ice a better team, while at the same time accelerating the out clause clock. The amount of debt they are taking on and the way it is structured suggests that the end game here is and always has been a move to another market. That is really the only scenario where Fortress and the NHL are made whole.

    I'm not convinced this is anything more than a babysitter being paid to sit on the Coyote throne until options for relocation are better. It doesn't take conspiracy level leaps in logic to see it that way, either. I'm not going to cheer for these clowns for five years, only to watch them move the team to GTA2.
     
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    Be that as it may, it is an answer to your question of "50 million or 5 years" - RSE can't pull the plug in less than 5 years. I won't argue speculation about the future with you because, well, it's speculation.
     
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    This sounds suspiciously like the plot to the movie Major League. Rundblad, if you're reading, that's a GDT possibility ...
    Judge those years based on merit. If there's money to sign and re-sign players, Don and Tipp keep doing their thing and the team competes, don't we have to be happy? How many businesses in America lose money 5 years running and power on? Only ones that were outrageously strong to begin with and that are in more critical industries than entertainment. If this is a five-year reprieve, so be it. Better than nothing, right?
     
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    Well he has been a riot on twitter today.
     
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    It sucks that our only hope is a bunch of tweeting teenage girls. Ugh.
     
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    My understanding is that the sale agreement with RSE is on the condition that they work out a lease agreement with the COG.

    Let's say the lease agreement gets 4 Yes votes. Isn't this then all wrapped up? What's left to resolve?
     
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    Potential outside interference from a referendum drive or from GWI
    RSE actually closing the deal

    I'm not that worried about the former point. But after Jamison imploded in January, definitely worried about the latter.
     
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    Haha. That was also true of the Jamison deal. Then his financing fell through. Hulsizer's deal looked pretty well wrapped up too. Then the GWI set fire to it. Then there's the old grandpas rolling around with petitions. Will those factors arise again? Maybe, maybe not. Nobody saw them coming then, however. I'm sure there is something nobody sees coming now that will show up and throw a wrench in the gears. It's too contentious. It's too crappy of a deal. There are so many factors that want to kill this thing. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

    A YES vote is cause for celebration. NO means certain and immediate death of the market. A YES provides some hope. However, if you think a YES vote on Tuesday means that the team will remain for five more seasons, with no doubts about it, you'll be disappointed when things inevitably continue to drag on and complicate.
     
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    Good for Giblin to keep it professional.
     
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    What a stupid format. So Jones takes a shot at Giblin, says jk, then "but no, really..." ?

    Can't they muzzle this idiot? At least until the deal is done. Please.
     
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