Post-Game Talk: Ovi's Stanley Cup Champs visit SENS, Sat. 7:00pm (Xmas Edition)

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

They made no attempts to actually improve their hockey team beyond plugging kids in. Just because they decided to cut bait on Hoffman, Karlsson, etc. to save money doesn't mean you have to sit on your hands. Our team is terrible on ice and on paper, now and to start the season, because all we did for a year was send out players without any moves to bring quality in. We just fill holes with plugs like Boedker and Demelo.

The year before we let Methot walk and expected too much out of Karlsson after major surgery. We should have seen that coming with the garbage D core we sent out there to die in front of an even worse, overpaid Anderson and Condon.

 

[solidprospect]

Uh what about the year before? When we went to the EcF final. Same core lmfao.

That's right, so obviously something was going on in the room to go from ECF final to what the hell are the players doing?

 

[solidprospect]

They made no attempts to actually improve their hockey team beyond plugging kids in. Just because they decided to cut bait on Hoffman, Karlsson, etc. to save money doesn't mean you have to sit on your hands. Our team is terrible on ice and on paper, now and to start the season, because all we did for a year was send out players without any moves to bring quality in. We just fill holes with plugs like Boedker and Demelo.

It takes longer than 1 year to plug kids in. The fact we have many kids added already is a good sign though.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

That's right, so obviously something was going on in the room to go from ECF final to what the hell are the players doing?

Yes I’ll tell you now lol, GM did ZERO to improve the at the start of the season. the coach is complete and utter shit, karlsson wasn’t at 100% to bail him out and make him look smart(and bail the team out). And as usual and as always happens. Other coaches figured Boucher out and that’s always historians Andy and condon were both crap

 

[solidprospect]

Yes I’ll tell you now lol, GM did ZERO to improve the at the start of the season. the coach is complete and utter ****, karlsson wasn’t at 100% to bail him out and make him look smart. And as usual and as always happens. Other coaches figured Boucher out and that’s always history.

So the players were good getting to ECF , without any apparent coaching going on there. Conversely, when the players are not performing well like last year, it's the coaches fault and not players?

 

[Burrowsaurus]

So the players were good getting to ECF , without any apparent coaching going on there. Conversely, when the players are not performing well like last year, it's the coaches fault and not players?

No... Boucher typical has a decent first year. And then bombs. Nothing new there nothing different here.

Karlsson was sinply lights out that year. And he playoffs were a whole new beast he was simply unbelievable he dragged us through.

The “so when they play bad it’s the coach” argument can actually be used here. Because guess what? Boucher always, always, always turns to utter shit. He’s always done it regardless of star power on the team.

Boucher was “decent” the first year. But without karlsson we probably are a lottery team with Boucher.

And look. Karlsson not so great second year....lottery

 

[solidprospect]

yashin-traverse 1992
Daigle-Demitra 1993
Bonk/Alfie/Neckar -1994
Berard - 1995
Phillips/Dackell/Salo- 1996
Hoosa/hurme/Arvedson/Rachunek 1997

It takes time to rebuild folks, time and alot of patience.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Why do people still think Karlsson single handedly carried us to the ECF?

Lol.

 

[BondraTime]

Why do people still think Karlsson single handedly carried us to the ECF?

Lol.

Because he had the single most dominant positive contribution to a team in modern playoff history

There has never been a larger statistical difference between a teams play with a guy on the ice vs off the ice as with Karlsson in that run.

 

[Micklebot]

Because he had the single most dominant positive contribution to a team in modern playoff history

There has never been a larger statistical difference between a teams play with a guy on the ice vs off the ice as with Karlsson in that run.

That and they probably watched the games... I mean, statistical difference be damned, it was clear as day how much of an impact he had every time he hit the ice.

 

[BondraTime]

That and they probably watched the games... I mean, statistical difference be damned, it was clear as day how much of an impact he had every time he hit the ice.

Yeah, but the eye test seems to be frowned upon by many here for some reason. Can't say anything about guys this year based on what you see, some stupid advanced stat metric gets thrown back at you.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Why do people still think Karlsson single handedly carried us to the ECF?

Lol.

Probably because he did.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Because he had the single most dominant positive contribution to a team in modern playoff history

There has never been a larger statistical difference between a teams play with a guy on the ice vs off the ice as with Karlsson in that run.

Okay? And every other player had nothing to do with the run?

Karlsson was amazing. Best player that run no doubt about it but there were more hands than just his that got the team to where they did.

Sheesh.

 

[BondraTime]

Okay? And every other player had nothing to do with the run?

Karlsson was amazing. Best player that run no doubt about it but there were more hands than just his that got the team to where they did.

Sheesh.

Remove any of the guys and replace them with someone and they may still get where they were. Not even a ppg player among them.

Remove Karlsson and they don't get past the 1st round, they got destroyed nearly every time he was off the ice and they drove play when he was on.

It's a team game, of course there are others who played a part in the run. Bobby played like a top 6 forward, Pageau had that 1 historic game.

Karlsson willed and dragged the team to that point, as you see by the stats of him on the ice vs. off the ice. Nobody on the team was in the same stratosphere when it came to seeing how the play was influenced while on and off the ice.

Sure, other guys played well, but none had even close, like not even in the same league, of contribution to that run.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Remove any of the guys and replace them with someone and they may still get where they were. Not even a ppg player among them. The 3rd leading scorer on a team that went to game 7 of the 3rd round had 11 points, that is miserable.

Remove Karlsson and they don't get past the 1st round, they got destroyed nearly every time he was off the ice and they drove play when he was on.

It's a team game, of course there are others who played a part in the run. Bobby played like a top 6 forward, Pageau had that 1 historic game.

Karlsson willed and dragged the team to that point, as you see by the stats of him on the ice vs. off the ice. Nobody on the team was in the same stratosphere when it came to seeing how the play was influenced while on and off the ice.

Sure, other guys played well, but none had even close, like not even in the same league, of contribution to that run.

And he did it all on one leg.

Remove Karlsson from that team and they're likely drafting top 5 that year, not going to the ECF.

 

[Micklebot]

Okay? And every other player had nothing to do with the run?

Karlsson was amazing. Best player that run no doubt about it but there were more hands than just his that got the team to where they did.

Sheesh.

Nobody is saying every other player didn't contribute, we are just recognizing that the was a wide gap in the degree to which each players contribution was integral to the teams overall success. Had Ottawa won the cup, he'd have swept conn-smyth voting. Nobody else on the team would have gotten considered. He likely would have gotten heave consideration had we lost in the cup finals, potentially even winning it depending on the performance in that series.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Nobody is saying every other player didn't contribute, we are just recognizing that the was a wide gap in the degree to which each players contribution was integral to the teams overall success. Had Ottawa won the cup, he'd have swept conn-smyth voting. Nobody else on the team would have gotten considered. He likely would have gotten heave consideration had we lost in the cup finals, potentially even winning it depending on the performance in that series.

Seriously...

It’s like Patrick Roy in 86 and 93.

They had pretty clutch scorers on the way, but there’s no way they would be in a position to even score those goals without Roy. It was his team.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Nobody is saying every other player didn't contribute, we are just recognizing that the was a wide gap in the degree to which each players contribution was integral to the teams overall success. Had Ottawa won the cup, he'd have swept conn-smyth voting. Nobody else on the team would have gotten considered. He likely would have gotten heave consideration had we lost in the cup finals, potentially even winning it depending on the performance in that series.

Uhh not sure if serious?

There have been bunch of posts saying he pretty single handedly 'carried' the Sens to the ECF.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Remove any of the guys and replace them with someone and they may still get where they were. Not even a ppg player among them.

Remove Karlsson and they don't get past the 1st round, they got destroyed nearly every time he was off the ice and they drove play when he was on.

It's a team game, of course there are others who played a part in the run. Bobby played like a top 6 forward, Pageau had that 1 historic game.

Karlsson willed and dragged the team to that point, as you see by the stats of him on the ice vs. off the ice. Nobody on the team was in the same stratosphere when it came to seeing how the play was influenced while on and off the ice.

Sure, other guys played well, but none had even close, like not even in the same league, of contribution to that run.

Sure but this post of your is not what I am arguing though lol.

He was the biggest contributing factor to that run. Absolutely. No doubt. No argument there.

He wasn't the only contributing factor to that run. Absolutely? No doubt? Shouldn't be an argument here either.

 

[Micklebot]

Uhh not sure if serious?

There have been bunch of posts saying he pretty single handedly 'carried' the Sens to the ECF.

Yeah, hyperbole is a thing, sure, but nobody means by "he single handedly carried the team" that had we replaced everybody by timbits players we'd still have made the ECF. What they are saying is the team had no business getting anywhere without him. The point is that this wasn't a team effort where everybody was an equal contributor, this was a heavily lopsided contribution. No, the other players weren't actively shooting pucks into our own net, but yes, Karlsson was carrying the team in a way that is quite rare.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Yeah, hyperbole is a thing, sure, but nobody means by "he single handedly carried the team" that had we replaced everybody by timbits players we'd still have made the ECF. What they are saying is the team had no business getting anywhere without him. The point is that this wasn't a team effort where everybody was an equal contributor, this was a heavily lopsided contribution. No, the other players weren't actively shooting pucks into our own net, but yes, Karlsson was carrying the team in a way that is quite rare.

When it comes to the Karlsson obsession around here I wouldn't put it past some that the 'hyperbolic statements' you would think is hyperbole is what they really mean.

 

[BondraTime]

Yeah, hyperbole is a thing, sure, but nobody means by "he single handedly carried the team" that had we replaced everybody by timbits players we'd still have made the ECF. What they are saying is the team had no business getting anywhere without him. The point is that this wasn't a team effort where everybody was an equal contributor, this was a heavily lopsided contribution. No, the other players weren't actively shooting pucks into our own net, but yes, Karlsson was carrying the team in a way that is quite rare.

Spot on.

My sentiments in much clearer words.

 

[Micklebot]

When it comes to the Karlsson obsession around here I wouldn't put it past some that the 'hyperbolic statements' you would think is hyperbole is what they really mean.

If that's what you think, I really don't know what to tell you.

Let put it this way; "he carried the team" is a pretty common vernacular in sports talk. If Karlsson's performance relative to his team doesn't qualify, nothing would. It is what it is, the vast majority of sports fans understand exactly what is meant when somebody says a player carried the team. If you you think they mean other players didn't contribute at all, that's on you and your interpretation, not on the person using a pretty commonly accepted figure of speech.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Take Bobby Ryan off that team and we don’t make it out of the first round either.

Take Andy out of the picture and we don’t make it out either.

EK was amazing, the best player for us, and generally on either team most of the time, but in the end he scored 2 goals.

Other guys had to put pucks in the net to win games, and the biggest impact player up front was BR. That was one of the most clutch playoff forward performances we’ve ever had.

Andy had to keep the pucks out and is 4th best ALL TIME in playoff save percentage, and was amazing for us again that year.

I don’t think it’s out of line to argue with the EK hyperbole to include the other two exceptional performances. EK did not drag the team to ECF on his own, he was the best of three key players that consistently drove the bus.

He lead the team for sure, but he didn’t carry it alone.

 

[Agent Zub]

Why do people still think Karlsson single handedly carried us to the ECF?

Lol.

Because Bobby f***ing Ryan was our 2nd best player