Ovechkin vs Kucherov

[ccman68]

Did the Caps win the presidents by 20+ points? Did Ovi lead the league by 20+ points?

Kucherov and Tampa were head and shoulders over everyone in the league.

Kuch didn't lead the league by 20+ points don't try and lie. Ovi won the hart trophy that season. It might just be the worst playoffs by a hart trophy winner ever. Definitely a bigger choke than Kucherov. And that Capitals team definitely wasn't bad either.

 

[Hippasus]

Kuch didn't lead the league by 20+ points don't try and lie. Ovi won the hart trophy that season. It might just be the worst playoffs by a hart trophy winner ever. Definitely a bigger choke than Kucherov. And that Capitals team definitely wasn't bad either.

IIRC he had a hairline fracture broken foot in the Rangers series in which he had 2 points in 7 games.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Close but Ovi. I feel Kucherov is glorified Marner.

 

[amoboko]

For me Ovi, he has the immense consistency in his game. Kucherov has an enormous skill range as well. But Ovi has the leadership skills.
I hope Ovi can entertain us a bit more in the playoffs althou the Canes would deserve it as well.

 

[OKOptimistic]

Kuch is electric

 

[wetcoast]

Did the Caps win the presidents by 20+ points? Did Ovi lead the league by 20+ points?

Kucherov and Tampa were head and shoulders over everyone in the league.

You are right Kucherov led the league in scoring by a much higher margin than Ovechkin ever did so he must be better plain and simple.

 

[illpucks]

You are right Kucherov led the league in scoring by a much higher margin than Ovechkin ever did so he must be better plain and simple.

Peak RS Ovie had 10 points in 7 games
Peak RS Kuch had 2 points in 3 games

 

[Krewe]

In terms of an 82-game season and building for the foreseeable future, I'd obviously take Kucherov, but in terms of wanting to make a deep playoff run, I'd still take any of the big three (Sid, Ovi and Geno) over young studs like Kuch and McDavid due to what I've seen them accomplish already

This is a good take. Experience matters in the playoffs. Obviously the young guys make up for lack of experience by being good in the RS and getting a better seed, but it takes time and failures to become a playoff star.

No, i take Ovechkin becasue he is better. Even at his age the caps rely on him or they are ****ed. I have a hard time thinking TB relies on Kucherov the same way. There is no doubt Kucherov is a great player but Ovechkin he is not nor will he ever be.

I would argue this playoffs showed we need Kuch. He was bad this series and we got smacked. I would argue he and Hedman are far and away the most important players on the Bolts. Stamkos and Point are good and can drive a line but they are relied on more for scoring goals than actually running the offense. Kucherov makes his mark with his passing and OZone control, while Hedman is just a beast all around.


Regardless Ovi's peak of 65g 113p is better than 41g 128 considering eras, but right now i'd take 41/128 over 51/89 anyday

 

[bobholly39]

why are there so many OV votes? This makes no sense to me.

This is similar to the Crosby vs McDavid debate a few years ago. After 2017 - a 2017 a lot of people were calling McDavid the best in the world, and some were saying it's still Crosby. Crosby had just been runner up to Ross/Hart, won the rocket, won 2 smythes. McDavid had the Ross (100 points) and hart.
By the next year - McDavid had won another ross (108 points) and Crosby didn't have another smythe and almost everyone said McDavid > Crosby

To me the case for Kucherov > Ovechkin is even stronger.

Kucherov has outscored Ovechkin significantly for 3 straight years, not 2.
Ovechkin does have a smythe - but 1, not 2 in a row.
Kucherov scored 128 points!!! McDavid had only scored 100, and then 108. That's a huge gap.


Kucherov is the better player.

 

[ccman68]

Close but Ovi. I feel Kucherov is glorified Marner.

Kucherov and Marner have pretty much nothing in common.

"Close but Kuch. I feel Ovechkin is a glorified Marchand." Doesn't make much sense does it?

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

IIRC he had a hairline fracture broken foot in the Rangers series in which he had 2 points in 7 games.

Yes he did. And it's funny how that poster thinks that caps team was good lol. Was a pretty bad team tbh.

 

[wetcoast]

Peak RS Ovie had 10 points in 7 games
Peak RS Kuch had 2 points in 3 games

What does the above even mean?

 

[tenken00]

I voted Ovechkin, because yeah homer vote, but also because I think teams specifically gameplan against Ovechkin much more than they do Kucherov.

So while Ovechkin isn't scoring, I feel that he affects the game even when he does absolutely nothing.

 

[Canovin]

It's clear OV saves himself for the playoffs. Why have the best regular season when you can repeat?

 

[illpucks]

What does the above even mean?

Ovie's best season Caps lost to Habs in 7, but Ovie still had 10 points in 7 games
Kucherov's best season he has 2 points in 3 games and clean sweeped by #8 seeded team

 

[Son Goku]

yeah no. This is just all magic thinking, nobody takes any player over McDavid unless that person is insane. Even for a playoff run I take McDavid over anyone in a heartbeat.

Funny how a history of production in the playoffs is "magic thinking". Mcdavid hasn't proven anything in the playoffs. Which one of these is "magic thinking"?

 

[ccman68]

Ovi choking in the playoffs again but what's new. He sure is lucky Kuznetsov carried him to a cup or he would've been known as a choker for the rest of his life.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Ovi choking in the playoffs again but what's new. He sure is lucky Kuznetsov carried him to a cup or he would've been known as a choker for the rest of his life.

9pts in 7 games is choking? OV put up more pts in 1 game than Kucherov did in his series, not sure why you're still talking.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

Ovi fanboys especially should know playoff success is not all about one player

Kucherov disappeared in the playoffs. Ovechkin has almost always been a factor, win or lose.

 

[tacogeoff]

At this moment and strictly going on a points basis it is Kuch. He is the better points producer. Ovi is no slouch and a phenomenal goal scorer but the last two seasons Kuch has been a better producer through the regular season. Ovi has the slight advantage in PPGin the playoffs.

 

[Nadal On Clay]

So now playoff matters to Capitals fans? Laughable.

 

[Varan]

So now playoff matters to Capitals fans? Laughable.

tbf, pens fans used playoff success more often than not for sid

 

[RSeen]

Kucherov...AINEC

 

[Nadal On Clay]

tbf, pens fans used playoff success more often than not for sid

Some Caps fans basically ignored playoff success before OVs first cup. Talk about double-standards.

This is Kucherov by a mile.

 

[daver]

tbf, pens fans used playoff success more often than not for sid

What's wrong with pointing out that Crosby was the better playoff performer regardless of Cups won?