OVECHKIN HEATING UP - predict how many goals he finishes with

[Devilsfan2326]

He’s been scoring more since the break, or maybe with Kuznetsov out, but I don’t know the story. Between two grown men.

 

[wetcoast]

Please hit 20

MJ is praying with you buddy.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

MJ is praying with you buddy.

I already know you’re praying on my downfall

 

[super6646]

He's still getting a ton of shot volume. If that starts to seriously dip (into the low-mid 200s) then I would worry, but he just had an unlucky year up until this point.

 

[wetcoast]

I already know you’re praying on my downfall

I'm pretty sure that he will hit 20 and some people will make a huge deal about it.

Reading some of the comments I wonder how many people actually watch him play though?

 

[Midnight Judges]

I'm pretty sure that he will hit 20 and some people will make a huge deal about it.

Reading some of the comments I wonder how many people actually watch him play though?

You obviously don’t.

 

[wetcoast]

You obviously don’t.

I do when I can and he floats around out there, on the PP he basically skates to the line and waits for others to gain the zone and floats around and then shoots, he is very uninvolved in the play but hey that's okay he is 38 years old and this is how it's going to end.

But the only goal here is for him to get the goal scoring record so why are people pretending that he is some sort of play driver or very good player still, he simply isn't and like I said almost every 38 year old in NHL history wasn't either.

 

[Midnight Judges]

I do when I can and he floats around out there, on the PP he basically skates to the line and waits for others to gain the zone and floats around and then shoots,

Wrong.

 

[blundluntman]

Around 20-25 if I had to guess

 

[wetcoast]

Wrong.

I asked in another thread for people to watch him play it's pretty obvious now I'm not going to argue with you about it with you.

We can argue about it again in the who was better in their age 38 season thread in 2 years.....

 

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Some quick napkin math here. Assuming that Ovi plays in all 31 remaining games the Caps have, and that he shoots his career avage (12.8%) and continues to get 3.48 shots/game. He will end up with 14 more goals this year. So 27 on the season.

That’s not no napkin math, that’s Fibonacci stuff

 

[wetcoast]

That’s not no napkin map, that’s Fibonacci stuff

 

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3. Sleep deprivation

 

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Ovi is absolutely hitting 30 goals

@Billy Kvcmu also calling it

 

[WingsFan95]

Exactly 25 which he gets with a 2 goal performance in his last game. Though it must be said how amazing he's on a 6 game goal streak and the team is on an 8 game losing skid.....

 

[Felidae]

I do when I can and he floats around out there, on the PP he basically skates to the line and waits for others to gain the zone and floats around and then shoots, he is very uninvolved in the play but hey that's okay he is 38 years old and this is how it's going to end.

But the only goal here is for him to get the goal scoring record so why are people pretending that he is some sort of play driver or very good player still, he simply isn't and like I said almost every 38 year old in NHL history wasn't either.

Not many are saying he's a play driver or still elite.

That also doesn't change the fact he leads the team in points and PPG. He's still a good player (prob not 1st liner on a top team) that's gone through a noticeable decline in offense, as it should be given his age

But a few here are acting like he's done as a player, especially in the previous Ovi thread. Yet no one is saying that about the players he's outproducing on his own team. That tells me maybe people aren't looking at this through the most objective lense.

 

[TimeZone]

22 goals

 

[Satoru Gojo]

Over a PPG in 2024 so far

I think he hits 30

 

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Exactly 25 which he gets with a 2 goal performance in his last game. Though it must be said how amazing he's on a 6 game goal streak and the team is on an 8 game losing skid.....

It does lessen the pain of losing.

 

[WingsFan95]

Not many are saying he's a play driver or still elite.

That also doesn't change the fact he leads the team in points and PPG. He's still a good player (prob not 1st liner on a top team) that's gone through a noticeable decline in offense, as it should be given his age

But a few here are acting like he's done as a player, especially in the previous Ovi thread. Yet no one is saying that about the players he's outproducing on his own team. That tells me maybe people aren't looking at this through the most objective lense.

Yeah me and a close buddy who've travelled to see Ovechkin play in several stadiums were very much aware he's still reliable on his own team which is the only thing that should matter when others are calling for imminent retirements.

Again, the historical precedent for legends to walk away is at least 1 if not 2 consecutive seasons of significantly diminished returns on the team. And Gretzky didn't walk away before that happened to him, nor did guys like Sakic, Yzerman or Selanne. Others were able to have resurgent campaigns in their late 30s and early 40s.

And hell, do we dare ignore the immortal Joe Pavelski?

 

[wetcoast]

Not many are saying he's a play driver or still elite.

Perhaps not but some albeit it's a vocal minority still don't accurately describe his actual gameplay.

Like when I described his actual play and asked people to watch and the only retort was from MJ with the detailed anyaslsis of "wrong"

That kind of speaks volumes eh.

That also doesn't change the fact he leads the team in points and PPG. He's still a good player (prob not 1st liner on a top tea

On the first part a lot of that is because he is given extremely elite and sheltered usage and sure the rest of the team isn't that great.

To the second part sure he isn't really a first liner any more but he is there in Washington given his reputation and the focus on getting the goals record.

m) that's gone through a noticeable decline in offense, as it should be given his age

Sure that's what I've been saying

But a few here are acting like he's done as a player, especially in the previous Ovi thread.

The problem here is pretty clear though it's the usage that doesn't match the results and still no change in that usage.

Yet no one is saying that about the players he's outproducing on his own team. That tells me maybe people aren't looking at this through the most objective lense.

I think what is says is that no one is really talking about those players because the usage results question doesn't come up with them.

That being said plenty of people have spoken about how crappy Kuz has been and literally no one is defending him.

Maybe the difference there speaks to some unequal treatment?

 

[Johnny Tomala]

23.

 

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I know he's got a games played advantage but there's something that tickles me about Ovechkin "the one trick pony" approaching Fedorov's career assists number. The guy that got a ton of respect for being able to do it all, had people gushing over how perfect and fluid he was at his best, and if anything was more of a passer/playmaker than anything else will very probably be passed up by a guy that people have been trying to frame as a PP specialist for like a decade.

Now I'm not saying he's as good as a passer in a vacuum but it does introduce an interesting wrinkle to the "he's a PP turret" argument.”


Credit to @HTFN for writing that piece

 

[Caps8112]

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I know he's got a games played advantage but there's something that tickles me about Ovechkin "the one trick pony" approaching Fedorov's career assists number. The guy that got a ton of respect for being able to do it all, had people gushing over how perfect and fluid he was at his best, and if anything was more of a passer/playmaker than anything else will very probably be passed up by a guy that people have been trying to frame as a PP specialist for like a decade.

Now I'm not saying he's as good as a passer in a vacuum but it does introduce an interesting wrinkle to the "he's a PP turret" argument.”


Credit to @HTFN for writing that piece

PP turret has always been a lazy argument for the people that use it. Being 65th all time in assists is pretty good for a guy gets zero credit for being a playmaker. Even if you believe the detractors and he is the most selfish, one dimensional shoot first guy that gets assists by bouncing the puck off the goalie he is 65th all time. Assist rebounds vs secondary assists. likely a lot of the time the same difference.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I'd say 25. legendary player.