Out of Town Thread Part 6

[crosbyshow]

I'm a huge Lemieux fan and think a lot of the points you make are great.

I just think the 690 goals in 915 games has to be taken with a grain of salt because of the era he played in. Is it a coincidence that he and Gretzky were far and away the best in goal scoring and play making and just happened to play in the same era? I'll go one step further: is it a coincidence Michael Jordan is the best ever in the NBA and played at the exact same time. At that point, it was right before serious weight training and attention to physical form came into sports. And, right before analytics and serious analysis of systems came into the game. These factors may level the playing field and prevent individuals from standing out as much. Furthermore, there was a revolution in the technology of the equipment. Really hard to play basketball on those old chuck taylor shoes - when you cut, you have to wait a fraction of a second before your body weight shifts. Also hard to skate and carry the puck with those old skates and thick flat curved wood sticks from the 70's and before. Perhaps the equipment changes that started in the 80's allowed talented individuals to stand out even more...

The year he came back at 35 and had 35 goals in 42 games was unbelievable. But still, that (2000-2001) was not the clutch and grab era. The Avs won the cup with a loaded offensive team. And, Lemieux was playing with 3 of the top 6 point getters in the league (Jagr, Kovalev, Straka). No doubt Lemieux helped them. But Jagr was unreal too.

And, the next year he had 6 goals in 24 games.

We'll never know what could have been. Same with Mike Bossy and even Bobby Orr. With modern medicine and physiotherapy they would have all played more games. I do respect Ovechkin for longevity. You can't help the team by scoring goals if you're unable to play because you're body is breaking down.

We can say that the goalies were bad in the 80s etc and it is true.

However, can you imagine Lemieux with training method, Food, hockey sticks of today.

I mean Lemieux proved that he was amazing vs some of the best goalies in history. Hasek once said that he was not able to guess which move Lemieux will do or where is wrist shot will go.

If you put Mcdavid , Ovechkin and Crosby in the 80s you have to put them in all the 80s conditions, wood sticks, no off ice training, fries and burgers etc.

Any great player would be great in any era in my view but era for era ...Lemieux for me is the best I have seen with my own eyes.

 

[CHfan1]

If this is true (below) isn’t that something you check before making a trade:

 

[sheed36]

Nashville raising a banner for winning the division. Now a player wins the Norris and he gets his own day.

Expectations for the Habs have been lowered so much of late by Molson and MB that the Habs well soon be raising banners for just being able to finally make the playoffs in a full normal regular season again.

 

[sheed36]

If this is true (below) isn’t that something you check before making a trade:

He probably saw the trade rumor on Twitter so he turned off his phone and went in the woods looking for Per's crawfish pond him and his buddy found way back in the day to avoid getting that call from JR.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Rutherford has firmly shut the Penguins window.

Good. Hope the slope downhill continues. Crosby will want out at some point or they mutually agree the Pens should head into a rebuild.... Crosby was a Habs fan growing up? .

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

Only Hornqvist can save Rutherford from himself now.

 

[The Great Weal]

If JR wants, we have a Karl Alzner available to complement Johnson and Matheson.

 

[Adam Michaels]

If this is true (below) isn’t that something you check before making a trade:

It would be hilarious if Hornqvist vetoes it since he has a full NTC.

 

[Andy]

Moved very easily in a flat cap world??.....don’t think so.......at least not for fair value.

Every team in the NHL will see the Leafs coming from 100 light years away.....they gonna get gutted, strung and beat

That group of players are not scrubs. They’re almost all elite talent except for Nylander.

Each of those 4 players are better than any habs forward since Kovalev, that’s pretty depressing.

If the Leafs put Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares on the market, teams would be calling for sure even in a flat cap.

every year we go through this argument of cap hell. If it’s not the leafs it’s the bolts, if not the bolts, it’s the preds.

the leafs top paid players are among the most talented players in the league. They aren’t scrubs that are overpaid.

The leafs may not get full value because it’s a clear cap dump, but if you are any team and you can afford to get one of those players and at a discount, you bet your ass you’ll take them in board.

I mean there isn’t even an argument to be had here, it’s pure nonsense to think that any of those 4 plays are not tradable. And it only takes trading one of them to give the leafs cap flexibility.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[DAChampion]

That group of players are not scrubs. They’re almost all elite talent except for Nylander.

Each of those 4 players are better than any habs forward since Kovalev, that’s pretty depressing.

If the Leafs put Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares on the market, teams would be calling for sure even in a flat cap.

every year we go through this argument of cap hell. If it’s not the leafs it’s the bolts, if not the bolts, it’s the preds.

the leafs top paid players are among the most talented players in the league. They aren’t scrubs that are overpaid.

The leafs may not get full value because it’s a clear cap dump, but if you are any team and you can afford to get one of those players and at a discount, you bet your ass you’ll take them in board.

I mean there isn’t even an argument to be had here, it’s pure nonsense to think that any of those 4 plays are not tradable. And it only takes trading one of them to give the leafs cap flexibility.

Remember when Chicago slowly gave away their dynasty core, include giving up future PPG player Teuvo Terevainen for nothing, due to a cap crunch?

Remember when Edmonton dumped Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson due to lack of cap space?

Remember when Nashville gave away Subban for not much when they wanted to sign Matt Duchene?

Remember when teams had to retain salary or take on cap dumps to trade away guys like Phil Kessel, Kasperi Kapanen, and Ryan O'Reilley?

All of that is going to happen more frequently now, and with greater severity, because the league is entering the greatest cap crunch of the cap era. The cap will be flat for at least four consecutive years, and probably longer.

We might also see players like Laine and Ekman-Larsson move because their teams can't keep them under their payrolls.

It's not clear if the Leafs could trade Marner for a couple 1st round picks without retaining salary or taking on cap dumps.

 

[le_sean]

Remember when Chicago slowly gave away their dynasty core, include giving up future PPG player Teuvo Terevainen for nothing, due to a cap crunch?

Remember when Edmonton dumped Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson due to lack of cap space?

Remember when Nashville gave away Subban for not much when they wanted to sign Matt Duchene?

Remember when teams had to retain salary or take on cap dumps to trade away guys like Phil Kessel, Kasperi Kapanen, and Ryan O'Reilley?

All of that is going to happen more frequently now, and with greater severity, because the league is entering the greatest cap crunch of the cap era. The cap will be flat for at least four consecutive years, and probably longer.

We might also see players like Laine and Ekman-Larsson move because their teams can't keep them under their payrolls.

It's not clear if the Leafs could trade Marner for a couple 1st round picks without retaining salary or taking on cap dumps.

I think they could easily find takers for Matthews and Marner. Nylander too because he doesn't make that much. But Tavares, at the age of 30, clearly slowing down, would be a tough pill to swallow for $11m a year.

But they gave him a NMC, so he's not going anywhere.

 

[CheldishGamibno]

Mike Matheson to the Pens would be laughable. They would have him and Jack Johnson, 2 of the worst contracts in the league (combining 8.125 millions) for another 5 and 3 years respectively. No idea what Jim Rutherford is doing.

 

[DAChampion]

Mike Matheson to the Pens would be laughable. They would have him and Jack Johnson, 2 of the worst contracts in the league (combining 8.125 millions) for another 5 and 3 years respectively. No idea what Jim Rutherford is doing.

Pittsburgh might have a good shot at drafting the next Lemieux/Crosby.

 

[The Great Weal]

Pittsburgh might have a good shot at drafting the next Lemieux/Crosby.

Next years draft is supposed to be very weak.

 

[MD thaivuN]

what's up with Pittsburg and their love for bad Ds lol

 

[Per Sjoblom]

It would be hilarious if Hornqvist vetoes it since he has a full NTC.

Who the hell wants to play for the Panthers and their 500 screaming fans!

 

[DAChampion]

Next years draft is supposed to be very weak.

Pittsburgh is going to have a long tank.

I can see them keeping Crosby, Letang, and Malkin for one (maybe two) more years, then trading them with salary retention for draft picks and futures

 

[CHarlie]

Malkin yes.....but Sid will retire a Penguin

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

what's up with Pittsburg and their love for bad Ds lol

Watch Marc Bergevin become their new GM someday

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Who the hell wants to play for the Panthers and their 500 screaming fans!

With the virus, that point is moot.

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Remember when Chicago slowly gave away their dynasty core, include giving up future PPG player Teuvo Terevainen for nothing, due to a cap crunch?

Remember when Edmonton dumped Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson due to lack of cap space?

Remember when Nashville gave away Subban for not much when they wanted to sign Matt Duchene?

Remember when teams had to retain salary or take on cap dumps to trade away guys like Phil Kessel, Kasperi Kapanen, and Ryan O'Reilley?

All of that is going to happen more frequently now, and with greater severity, because the league is entering the greatest cap crunch of the cap era. The cap will be flat for at least four consecutive years, and probably longer.

We might also see players like Laine and Ekman-Larsson move because their teams can't keep them under their payrolls.

It's not clear if the Leafs could trade Marner for a couple 1st round picks without retaining salary or taking on cap dumps.

Keeping Willie Karl was dumb as f*** for the Leafs.

 

[DAChampion]

Keeping Willie Karl was dumb as f*** for the Leafs.

Huh?

 

[SirClintonPortis]

Huh?

Had a brainfart, I meant Nylander.