News Article: Ottawa Senators Organization Actively Considering Building Arena At Lebreton Flats
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The land where Tanger Outlets is located sold for $535,000 an acre
http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/newsletters/2013/June_2013_Newsletter_Apri_Sales.pdf
http://www.juteaujohnsoncomba.com/newsletters/2013/June_2013_Newsletter_Apri_Sales.pdf
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Sens Mile
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Fandlauer
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I didn't read the article, but if the NCC is involved in any way, shape, or form then it won't happen.
On the plus side, I hear there's a great new arena in Quebec City.
On the plus side, I hear there's a great new arena in Quebec City.
Lebreton flats arena would be amazing. The city should love it too as it would work with LRT nicely (no parking at the arena) and help change downtown in a good way.
Melnyk won't get any money from the city though. The best they can do for him is allow build a casino somewhere around.
Melnyk won't get any money from the city though. The best they can do for him is allow build a casino somewhere around.
Sens Mile
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There is no way to confirm so it would be frivolous, that is what my gut is telling me though
Rogers Arena, Air Canada Centre, Bell Centre, and Nationwide Arena were all privately funded.
Canadian Tire Centre was also privately funded. They received a federal grant (about $5 million) for the interchange, but then had to turn it over to MTO for free (and now Tanger and other propery owners can use it)
Pepsi Center received tax rebates of 3% of project cost.
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StefanW
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My guess is that its value is in the land. Melnyk paid a song for it, so would probably be fine. Plus that land is very valuable for commercial use. Its right beside a highway exit.
Actually it is quite easily accessible, due ot the closeness of thge Queensway.
If you put it in Lebreton flats with no access to the Queensway and you are in the east end it will take longer to get home from Lebreton than from Kanata.
Lets put it simply. Does Ottawa have an attnedance issue? No. Therefore why mess with it?
No way its worth tens of millions. In case you hadn't moticed, that land is for the most part zoned industrial. It is being used to build car dealerships, sahopping centers, etc.
Think about the spinoff benefits of 20000 people exiting the rink downtown on foot vs running to their cars and sitting in traffic. Bars and restaurants would benefit tremendously.
Right. Prime commercially zoned land with a dedicated highway exit. What business would pay for that ?
They would have to go home sometime .......
And the walk to any existing bar of restaurant from Lebreton is quite a trek.
I agree downtown is a better spot for the arena, easily, but to me the absolute requirement is easy access to the Queensway. Without that you lose a significant amount of people.
Transit would be better, but in any case people still need to get from the bus station home. Most people do not live on a transitway stop. The transit already has a great deal at the CTC, walk out, hop a bus, priority access to the Queensway, but its use is still minimal.
But in any case my point is simple, what problem are you trying to solve? This is not like Pheonix which is has an arena in the middle of nowhere and attendance issues. Ottawa is also not that big, it is 20km's from downtown to Palladium.
I've got no skin in the game, I do not go to games in general, ut hardly matters to me. I guess what I doi not like is the thought of the city kicking in hundreds of millions of dollars to an arena when we have one that is serving the needs of the team.
Nac Mac Feegle
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pfft...
If it's all about the commute to the arena, then the solution is simple. Build an arena in Orleans, one in Barrhaven, and a third in Gatineau. Voila, and no one has to worry about having more than a 15 minute commute to the arena of their choice. Oh, and we'll need 3 expansion NHL teams to go with that.
If it's all about the commute to the arena, then the solution is simple. Build an arena in Orleans, one in Barrhaven, and a third in Gatineau. Voila, and no one has to worry about having more than a 15 minute commute to the arena of their choice. Oh, and we'll need 3 expansion NHL teams to go with that.
BonkTastic
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"Downtown Arena" would be enough of a smokescreen to allow Melnyk to really raise ticket prices up a ton, to get closer in line with the rest of the Canadian markets.
Don't think that's not part of it.
Its inaccessible without a car. How many cities have you been to as a tourist where you cant access the main concerts or attend a professional sports game? In order to do that in Ottawa youd have to rent a car or spend an hour and a half waiting for an unreliable bus service. Ottawa absolutely has an attendence problem. Our tickets are much cheaper than other Canadian teams and we dont sell out.
Lebreton will have the LRT and people can just walk to the game after work. Our downtown is dead after 6pm having the arena downtown would be a huge improvement for the city.
Sun God Nika
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It would be so nice spending a day a downtown and just going to watch a sens game without having to go through a **** show hour bus ride.
StittsvilleJames
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It is delusional to think the NCC would allow an arena on the site. The NCC doesn't like to work with the city, on anything. They're adversarial. Look at what happened a couple weeks ago when they made LRT pronouncements without first telling the city they were going to do so.
I'm sure Lebreton will be turned into a seagull sanctuary that all Canadians can be proud of or some other such nonsense.
I'm sure Lebreton will be turned into a seagull sanctuary that all Canadians can be proud of or some other such nonsense.
Buck Aki Berg
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There's no smokescreen about it. A better location increases demand, and increased demand brings up ticket prices. The cost of going to a game will certainly increase if they move to the Flats, but there's nothing nefarious about it.
Regardless of where the arena is built, tickets will cost as much as people are willing to pay. People are willing to pay more when it doesn't take them to the urban fringe on a weeknight.
There's a difference between the Senators submitting a proposal to the NCC and following their process, and the city just unilaterally deciding that it's going to lay train tracks on protected land that it doesn't own. Don't get me wrong, I'm on the city's side when it comes to fights with the NCC, but the city can't just go out and do whatever it wants (though I think it'd be awesome to see).
Personally, I think the biggest hurdle will be public opposition - the same bunch of people who are opposing Scott/Albert Street being used as a temporary transitway during LRT construction will be out in full force opposing this - Booth, Rochester, and Bronson Streets will be clogged on game nights, and there'll surely be parking issues throughout Centretown West. Residents there are going to have a hell of a lot to complain about, and I'm sure they'll be more than happy to do so.
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FuriousSenator
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We have had MULTIPLE nights with below 16,000 attendance this season. We also have by far the cheapest ticket prices of any Canadian NHL team. That is not great for a Canadian market.
The trip out to Kanata is excruciating. Have you been to TD Place yet? Tons to do around so you can make a whole evening of it. It would be the same with a big arena at Lebreton (~10 minutes walk to plenty of bars in the core). It most assuredly does NOT take less time to get to Kanata from Orleans than it does to Lebreton.
Regardless moot point, the future is car-less and moving the arena downtown, connecting it to efficient public transit (2 LRT lines) and eliminating parking would do wonders for both the team and the city.
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The fun part of this thread is the people who assume that Ottawa residents will suddenly decide that public transit is worth taking to the game.
This is a city of people who drive.
If you don't make the site easily accessible by car, you're gonna have problems.
This is a city of people who drive.
If you don't make the site easily accessible by car, you're gonna have problems.
